We need to stop reacting to Trump—and start responding. There’s a big difference.

President Donald Trump speaks with reporters before departing on Marine One on the South Lawn of the White House, Wednesday, Aug. 21, 2019, in Washington. Trump is headed to Kentucky. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

In a busy 48-hour period, President Trump asserted on camera that any American Jew who votes for Democrats is “uninformed or disloyal”; broadcast Wayne Allyn Root’s praise of his own person in a tweet (“the Jewish people in Israel love him...like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God”); and, while riffing on his own alleged fortitude in deciding to “take on China,” looked up at the sky and shouted, over the din of a helicopter, “I am the chosen one!” These statements from a commander in chief of the United States military are more than a little unprecedented.

If it is true that Americans are peculiarly vigilant when it comes to a president’s pretensions to divinity or rhetorical targeting of some Jews as more acceptable than others, one might think this would cause more than a temporary stir. And yet it is as if the citizenry has been trained to dutifully let it all go by Sunday. The actionable intelligence of such eye-rubbingly irresponsible statements voiced aloud by a man entrusted with the power to deploy lethal force against any person or population he deems a threat will hardly register as a blip in the U.S. bandwidth. How did this come to be?

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The beloved science fiction writer Philip K. Dick once offered an account of the function of disinformation that could prove helpful in an era when verifiable facts (like a recording of the president’s statement) gain little or no traction among people paralyzed by a cascade of reactions—and reactions to reactions—that always seem to fall short of substantial response to the facts. Disinformation, Mr. Dick tells us, is “noise driving out signal,” but it “is noise posing as signal so you do not even recognize it as noise.”

Disinformation deadens the possibility of an actively informed electorate and, therefore, coherent governance.

It works like a charm. Disinformation deadens the possibility of an actively informed electorate and, therefore, coherent governance. In words worthy of Hannah Arendt or George Orwell, Mr. Dick names the state of play powerfully: “If you float enough disinformation into circulation you will totally abolish everyone’s contact with reality, probably your own included.”

This is indeed our current state. The president speaks, people react, repeat cycle. At least for now, it remains a stimulus-reaction procedure, not stimulus-response. Response would involve a moral actor risking something. As we try to maintain contact with reality, we recall the existence, on paper, of the 25th Amendment. Who in the president’s inner circle could serve as the adult in the room? Perhaps Vice President Pence. Or maybe we need someone who’s recently left the room. Some Republican commentators have suggested that Nikki Haley might play that role. Perhaps they will risk something.

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Or not. The former ambassador to the United Nations offered no response to the president’s pronouncements concerning his chosenness. While many of us were distracted by the question of whether or not Mr. Trump thought of himself as the Messiah, Ms. Haley saw fit to react, instead, to supposed rumors that she would replace Mr. Pence as vice president on the 2020 ticket. “Enough of the false rumors,” she tweeted. “Vice President Pence has been a dear friend of mine for years. He has been a loyal and trustworthy VP to the President. He has my complete support.”

To be clear, this is not the response of a self-respecting adult in the room. This is a reaction to alleged reactions, which Ms. Haley alluringly refers to as “false rumors.” What false rumors? To even ask is to risk being drawn into another disinformation cycle, a culture of non-response, all heat and no light. To risk genuine response is to lose ground in a realm driven by reaction. In truth, we have been at it for a while.

Consider the night then-candidate Trump hosted “Saturday Night Live” in 2015. A ratings boon or an act of profound irresponsibility on the part of NBC? Let the viewer decide. This question was alive and signaling in the opening monologue that was abruptly interrupted by Larry David, who stood up on live television and yelled, “Trump’s a racist!” After a few pregnant seconds, Mr. David revealed he was a paid protester. The audience laughed. “That’s O.K.,” Mr. Trump allowed in the tone of a mafia boss, and the “great show tonight” proceeded unencumbered.

Four years on, the question of whether or not Mr. Trump is a racist is still ratings gold because it invites endless reaction, huge audiences and, let the reader understand, money-making without end. Was Mr. David’s role in this exchange a shirking of responsibility? That is a question for actual signal, not noise.

We do well to take our own measure concerning whether or not deep responsibility remains among our core concerns.

Then as now, Mr. Trump’s implied call for the execution of black men who were later exonerated (the Central Park Five) and refusal to apologize for his incendiary language awaits a substantial response from someone who can meaningfully counter his claims to authority. No Republican nominee for president nor anyone in Mr. Trump’s cabinet has found it expedient to risk a substantial response to these incitements to violence. Reaction? Oh my, yes, all day long. Response? Not yet. In October 2016, Mr. Pence heard an audio recording of Donald J. Trump boasting about his own pattern of sexual assault. Mr. Pence responded by concluding that he still had a sufficiently credible partner in pursuing his goals. Millions of Americans followed his lead.

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And today, the pattern of predatory disinformation repeats. For news networks, provocation drives profits in an expense of spirit and a waste of shame, a lucrative effort for some but an assault on the general welfare of many. We wake up wanting to tune in and weigh in, and we are blessed (or cursed) with the technology to do so. As we pause and wonder how it is that we, the people, could allow a man whose ignorance of and contempt for the Constitution is well established to take the oath of office for the president of the United States, we do well to consider the distance between reaction and response, noise and signal, disinformation and actionable intelligence. We do well to take our own measure concerning whether or not deep responsibility remains among our core concerns.

Rebecca Solnit offers a timely adage for anyone interested in being a genuinely responsive people in this beleaguered world that God so loves: “The revolt against brutality begins with a revolt against the language that hides that brutality.”

Disinformation of the sort President Trump floats by speaking of disloyal Jews, his role in the second coming of God and his own chosenness is of a piece with his own refusal to commit, in advance, to accept the results of our last presidential election: “I’ll keep you in suspense.” Shocking words and disavowals of the duties and obligations of law-abiding citizens are nothing new among men without boundaries. Disorientating speech is in the playbook of anyone who feels their survival depends on avoiding accountability. Keeping others in suspended animation is a form of flex essential for brutal behavior and brutalizing policies.

But we need not be stupefied by this cycle of weaponized incoherence nor continue to enable the enablers of disinformation. We can wake up to ourselves at any time and, if stupefaction is a process rather than a state, we can reverse the process in myriad ways even now. One risky and responsive word at a time.

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J Cosgrove
3 weeks 2 days ago

Where is the disinformation coming from? We had over 2 years of Russia collusion which was a hoax. We have seen cries of racism everywhere which is a farce since racism is not currently a problem in the US (this does not mean that certain groups in our society do not have a very tough time but it is not due to discrimination.) The comment about "Chosen One" left out the context and is a source of disinformation by the author. It referred to the chosen one to take on China and he was referring to that he was chosen by the people to do this. Does the author really want to discuss the Central Park 5? With articles like this we wonder why there is polarization.

J Cosgrove
3 weeks 2 days ago

Notice what contributes to fake news. See the photo above with Trump pointing his finger upwards. That did not happen when referring to himself being chosen by the voters to take on China.

Criticizing Trump with fake news means they have nothing of substance and actually validates that Trump is successful.

Tim O'Leary
3 weeks 2 days ago

I think it would be great if Democrats and Republicans all got behind Nikky Haley and drafted her for President. But, I think the Democrats are willing to risk it all on a combination of: 1) you-will-definitely-lose-your-doctor welfare-for-all, 2) a flight-ending Green New Deal, 3) financial benefits driven by a racial test (reparations), 4) born-alive abortions. Count me old-fashioned, but I don't think that is a winning response to Trump. Calling every Trump voter a white supremacist is not likely to get them to switch either.

Christopher Scott
3 weeks 2 days ago

Liberalism today is beyond incoherence, it’s a full blown mental disorder

Mike Fitzpatrick
2 weeks 6 days ago

It is not liberalism as such but the Leftists have taken control of the liberals and they don't realize it. The Liberals need to understand that Leftists are their enemy not conservatives

Stuart Meisenzahl
3 weeks 2 days ago

This article is the essence of hypocrisy: all of the principal facts and controversies cited by the author as Trump travesties are mirrored in the prior administration:
Trump referencing being “ the chosen one “—Candidate Obama stating “We are the ones you have been waiting for” and on his nomination stating it “ would mark the day the seas stopped rising and the earth began to heal” ...

Trump’s refusal to commit to accept the election results—the Democrats refusal to accept the defeat of Hillary Clinton by a first time politician who is a big mouthed bozo; who spent half of Hillary’s money; whose campaign was a political fiasco; who was opposed by all past four living Presidents and the Republican standard bearer......it had to be the Rusians! ......except it wasn’t!

Trump is a serial liar——Obama repeats some 19 times :” If you like your Plan ,you can keep your Plan....if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”

Trump stirs racial division(Central Park 5) —Obama inflames Michael Brown /Ferguson/riots “The Brown Slaying stains the heart of black children” only to have his own Justice Department ultimately vindicate the cop after the riots and looting.

It may well be that Trump will deservedly not be re-elected but this authors set of reasons is deeply flawed by his own blind hypocrisy. In an article decrying “disinformation “ as the source of our present political maelstrom the greatest example of political “disinformation” that could have been noted is the now disproven Russian Collusion allegation which has consumed the media for two solid years. Yet the author never even mentions it.

This article is an exemplar of the very disinformation that it decries.

Darryl Cooper
2 weeks 5 days ago

President Obama never referred to himself as the Messiah, was never heard boasting on video about groping women, earned his degrees through his own abilities (Not family money), and was legitimately elected.

Crystal Watson
3 weeks 2 days ago

If we needed examples of the alternate information universe in which Trump's Republican supporters exist, the comments to this article will do. The only saving grace is that they are in the minority in the country.

Christopher Scott
3 weeks 2 days ago

...Trump will be re-elected by a landslide, prepare yourself for your alternate universe

Crystal Watson
3 weeks 2 days ago

How do you people manage to just get through the day?

J Jones
3 weeks 2 days ago

Better no photo than a misleading one.

Nonetheless, what Trump DID do was even more ridiculous. Instead of pointing to the sky as he said "I am the chosen one", Trump's performance for his Christian base was even more absurd: he turned away from the reporters, looked to Heaven as he said "I am the chosen one".

Of course he did! Trump is a con artist: he knows to make eye contact with God while hoodwinking his base.

Were this all just about Trump the Showman, it would be delicious that he has acted out again, after his defenders insisted Trump meant (when he made that quite simple and serious statement of fact) that he was chosen by the VOTERS to take on China. Heading off to France to spend a few days at the G-7 where his base can't follow, that "I didn't really mean it" is the Showman taking a step back from his Christian charade: now he says it was just a bit of sarcasm, a joke, "we were all smiling". That was Trump trying to make eye contact with the heads of state he knows - and we all know - understand he is a charlatan, a con.

At any rate, David, I think this qualifies as a great response to Trump: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-08-22/trump-is-not-the-chosen-one-or-second-coming-he-s-just-panicking

Thomas Olsen
3 weeks 2 days ago

Obama was a con man. Smooth talker but just an empty suit. Trump gets things done. People may not like his bluntness, but at least he's not a two faced phony like other politicians. He will get reelected no problem. Who is going to stop him? The Democrats are so far in left field they are turning off independents and more centrist Democrats. You can't win an election with just the moonbat faction of the party. Joe Biden will never keep up, mentally or physically. He's already stumbling and bumbling. Better get prepared for Trump 2020. Acceptance will make life easier.

J Cosgrove
3 weeks 1 day ago

What a disingenuous comment. Criticize Trump and there are many legitimate criticisms but this fake news event is not one of them. Here is entire press conference, China discussion starts 15:30 https://cs.pn/33Wjagi Everyone should watch the entire press conference to see the left’s hypocrisy in criticizing Trump. Russia, racism, mental impairment, now an obviously tongue in cheek comment. The comment comes about a minute and a half into a discussion of the ineptness by past presidents dealing with China. People like the author depend on individuals not seeing everything to take a sound bite out of context.

J Jones
3 weeks 1 day ago

Speaker identified: 45th President of the United States of America. Place: White House lawn. Time: Not too long after Trump's own advisors told him not to keep escalating his trade war with China. Context: Trump's Trade War with China.

The challenge for Trump and his supporters is that, in fact, everything he says IS being seen, heard, documented, registered, considered, evaluated. That is appropriate. Donald J Trump is the 45th President of the United States of America and, through his tweets and his press conferences, he is putting these statements on record as the statements of the 45th President of the United States of America. Trump --- and his supporters --- are stuck with his words and their impact.

I am interested: what ARE your criticisms of Trump?

J Cosgrove
3 weeks ago

My criticisms of Trump are many but he has produced some very positive results. Demeanor etc are the most egregious. He seems to alienate people everywhere and most of the objections here are to his personal behavior. He is horrible at public relations though I understand some of what he is doing. One of his business objectives was to produce chaos or fear of it. One can then get a favorable result more easily. But he comes across as unhinged often when he does it. Policy, his inability to control the budget is a big one and his willingness to abandon some foreign commitments will only lead to chaos if we withdraw. He is also a poor judge of executive ability. He said he would hire the best people but a lot of his hires have been poor choices.

J Cosgrove
3 weeks ago

I have often said I have never met an honest liberal. That is so evident here as most liberals debate on emotions not reason. It is not that most liberals are not good people but they are usually ill informed and very mis-guided as to what will work in the world. One of the most obvious areas is their hatred of Trump. It is off the charts and not based on any rational objections other than he lies, he is immoral, he is mentally disturbed etc. The constant unfair criticisms is what gets me the most. So I push back. By the way I am on record as being anti-Trump prior to his selection in 2016 and only accepted his nomination because voting for a Democrat is so distasteful.

J Cosgrove
3 weeks ago

One of my favorite conservative authors is Jonah Goldberg who is very anti-Trump. I often recommend his writings and understand his problems with Trump. One is that Trump was a New York liberal, pro choice, friend of the Clintons who often praised both of them, So did he have a moral center? Not sure! But he was on record years ago as praising this country and recognizing its decline and wanted to change that. This explains a lot of what he is doing. By the way the Democrats are not interested in the future of this country so I find their hypocrisy amazing when they bring up the children as a concern. I can point to these same concerns in my comments here years ago so nothing changed.

J Jones
3 weeks ago

Thank you for those responses. I am interested in your comment that most of the criticisms you read here are criticisms of "his personal behavior" and "emotional". What are you referring to?

J Cosgrove
2 weeks 6 days ago

Read the comments of liberals here, on the internet and press. There is a name for it. It’s called Trump Derangement Syndrome., TDS. You see it with lots of emotional responses to Trump and to conservatives they do not like. There used to be Bush Derangement Syndrome, BDS. Liberals similarly went after McCain and Romney. If Cruz or Rubeo had been nominated the left would have done the same. It’s what they do. It’s about winning elections and power and most are pawns in this effort playing to emotions. It may work which is scary.

J Cosgrove
2 weeks 6 days ago

As I have said a couple times and will keep repeating, the Montagnards always turn and destroy the Girondists. What fools liberals are. First to believe their ideas can work, then not see the extreme will start attacking the less extreme when their ideas don’t work. Just look at the current Democratic Party. Eventually even Robespierre went to the guillotine.

Adeolu Ademoyo
3 weeks 2 days ago

On August 12, 2017, some racists, anti-Semites, and members of pro-Nazi groups organized a pro-Nazi, racist and anti semite rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. The rally organizers shouted "Jews shall not replace us, You shall not replace us." Ms. Heather Heyer was killed by a member of the anti-semite and proNazi group during the rally. Mr. Donald J. Trump's (Snr.) claim on the Charlottesville racist and pro-Nazi rally was that there were good people on both sides. This means that Mr. Donald Trump (Snr) believes that racists, anti-semite and members of pro-Nazi groups are "good" people.

Also, recently, the said Mr. Trump (Snr) claimed that American Jews who vote for Democratic Party are either uninformed or disloyal. The same Mr. Trump (Snr) has not denied that he said this.

Conclusion
Based on history, racists and pro-Nazi people are anti-semites, and anti-semites are also racists. The good Jewish people had been historically, falsely and dubiously accused of having double loyalty-an antisemite trope. Adolf Hitler of Nazi Germany used this dubious and false claim against the Jewish people in Germany and it led to the evil of the Nazi Holocaust. To falsely accuse American Jews who vote their conscience of disloyalty is anti-semite. To describe people who killed and who want to kill those who do not look like them racially and ethnically as "good" people is evil, racist, xenophobic, bigoted, and anti-semitic.

My conclusion is based on facts and history. Any objection must first refute these facts and history. So, history and historical witnessing are the reasons I agree with, Mr. David Dark the writer of this essay that it is time to stop reacting and start responding.

Christopher Scott
3 weeks 1 day ago

Israel named a town in the Golan Heights after President Donald Trump. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made the announcement on Tuesday from a tour of the Golan Heights and Mt. Hermon.... this is how Israel typically honors nazis

Adeolu Ademoyo
3 weeks 1 day ago

Christopher Scott
So based on your "knowledge" of political science, the state is the people? Right? Oh sorry, you should also add the following-(i) He-Mr. Trump (Snr) is the alleged "King" of Israel. He is the alleged "Chosen" One. Remember that the "King" himself made this dubious and blasphemous claim and retweeted this blasphemy! But, wait a minute, these blasphemies will be consistent with your intellectually flawed and politically (from the standpoint of the discipline of political science) untenable suggestion. The "King" is a racist who also traffics in antisemite tropes and who as a transactional politician has turned ordinarily noble state craft and policies into crass transaction for personal gains.

And also, based on the assumption in your post, you might as well call the "King" (with multiple women, and who likes "to grab them by the..." because He-the King is a super star) a "Christian" because the "King" gave a section of the evangelical "Christians" the type of judges and justices they want in transaction for their electoral support! And based on the assumption in your post, that ethically challenged and dubious transaction will also be "Christianity" which based on the assumption in your post will be consistent with the public ministry of Jesus Christ-right?

Expecting your next rationale. I'm loving this as I always do!

Stuart Meisenzahl
3 weeks 1 day ago

Adeolu
Indeed it is obvious that you ....”love this as always..”..but to the point of incoherence.

Adeolu Ademoyo
3 weeks 1 day ago

Stuart Meisenzahl,
An appeal and a tweet to irrelevance is a tactic someone who has lost the argument uses. Your "king" uses it regularly. You must be a good student of your "king". Your dear "king" of Israel and the self described and self-proclaimed "chosen" one used his own mouth to describe as "good" people racists, members of pro-Nazi groups and anti-semites who shouted "Jews shall not replace us, You shall not replace us" in Charlottesville , Virginia. Can you please defend your friend Christopher Scott substantively if you can? I'm loving this!

Tim O'Leary
3 weeks 1 day ago

Adeolu - I hope you really are against Nazi's. You might also recall that Omar was sanctioned by her own party for comparing Israel to the Nazis (link below). However, did you know that one of the reasons Israel barred Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib was because one of the sponsors of the trip was a group that literally published neo-Nazi blood libels and said that it supported female suicide bombers, hailing them as heroes (see link below). Perhaps, you missed this or maybe you to think there are good people on both sides of anti-Semitism.

Omar compares Israel to Nazi Germany https://israelunwired.com/ilhan-omars-bill-compares-israel-to-nazi-germany/

Sponsor of Omar's trip to Israel https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/08/21/thats-a-scandal-new-york-times-columnist-calls-out-media-for-burying-neonazi-sponsors-of-omar-tlaib-trip-n2551985

Adeolu Ademoyo
3 weeks 1 day ago

Tim O'Leary,
Since the "king" of Israel, the "chosen" one -Mr. Trump (Snr) trashes American cities and people so badly, don't you think he should be sent back to Germany or Scotland where his parents came from? I am just trying to call your attention as a defender of the "king" of Israel to what the "king" said about American citizens who are American Congress women a while ago! See?

And since the "king" of Israel-Mr. Trump (Snr) , called anti-semites "good" people, don't you think the state of Israel should also ban him from entering Israel? I'm loving this!

J Cosgrove
3 weeks 1 day ago

called anti-semites "good" people,

But he didn't do that. Why do you continue to propagate this fake news? The "good people" he was referring to are those who were there only to protest the removal of statues and were probably evangelicals and friends of Israel. You can quibble over the defense of the statues but it had nothing to do with being anti-semitic. Especially when his daughter is Jewish and has Jewish grand children. It is just like the author's comment on "chosen one" taken out of context.

Adeolu Ademoyo
3 weeks 1 day ago

J Cosgrove,
He said it, and stop deflecting and defending the impossible. Get your facts right and straight. If you cannot defend your "king" the "king" of Israel, the self proclaimed "chosen" one on what he said, then tell him to apologize to the country and withdraw his racist and xenophobic defense of racism, and anti-semitism in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017 when Ms. Heather Heyer was murdered by a member of anti-semites and pro-nazi group, who the "king" described as "good" people. We will move on if your "king" apologizes to the country on his racism. But we will not if as he does, he holds on to his racism and bigotry tenaciously with pride.

It is becoming clear that the defenders of the "king" of Israel, the "base" can no longer sustain their defense of him. Hence, they deflect, as you do. The way members of the "base" can help their "king" is to ask him to stop his anti-semite tropes and to stop his racism. It is that simple. But do not deflect. You can deflect in your parochial, bigoted right wing megaphones -such as Fox News, Breitbart, OANN, but not here in AmericaMagazine. Your "king" is a racist, a bigot, and he wears his racism and bigotry with pride-period. Thanks.

J Cosgrove
3 weeks 1 day ago

You keep making up stuff that didn't happen. Every time you do that, it is an endorsement of Trump because using false information means there is no true information to support your attitudes.. So keep on doing it to elect Trump again. I have to assume you are a Trump supporter in disguise.

Adeolu Ademoyo
3 weeks 1 day ago

J Cosgrove
The "king" of Israel often tells his base: "Don't believe what you see... believe what I tell you."! It means that for the base there is no objective truth outside the tweets of the "king" of Israel, what the "king" tweets to his base!
While the "king" and his narrow base live by the subjective tweets of the "king" the rest of the country live by the objective, verifiable history of the country.This explains your post as a member of the base! It is understandable.

Bill Yates
2 weeks 6 days ago

“Using false information means there is no true information...”. Are you living in some parallel universe? Trump makes much use of the phrase ‘fake news’ - but the difficult thing is trying to discern when he isn’t spreading fake news. Or says one thing then says the opposite the following day; almost as if his initial statement was made in some other universe. Does anyone on the planet (other than him) think N Korea’s leader is a ‘Great Guy’? The great deal maker has failed to sign off on any during his entire tenure. Which is, perhaps, no bad thing bearing in mind his record as a multiple bankrupt.

Bill Yates
2 weeks 6 days ago

“Using false information means there is no true information...”. Are you living in some parallel parking universe? Trump makes much use of the phrase ‘fake news’ - but the difficult thing is trying to discern when he isn’t spreading fake news. Or says one thing then says the opposite the following day; almost as if his initial statement was made in some other universe. Does anyone on the planet (other than him) think N Korea’s leader is a ‘Great Guy’? The great deal maker has failed to sign off on any during his entire tenure. Which is, perhaps, no bad thing bearing in mind his record as a multiple bankrupt.

Tim O'Leary
3 weeks 1 day ago

Adeolu - you are probably the person who has called Trump the king of Israel more than anyone else. I don't consider him a king in the slightest. He was "chosen" by the American electoral system, in part for dealing with China's unfair trade policies, which is the part he was referring to in the video. I did not vote for Trump, and am not at all pleased by his vulgar tactics, past personal life, undisciplined posturing, twitter storms, and general loose relationship with the facts of almost any situation. So, I am not a fan of any of this and believe the country is worse off because of it. However, he is obviously not an anti-Semite, a white supremacist (whatever that really is), or a racist, as those terms are traditionally applied. Multiple actions of his (like his recent support for the American rapper in Sweden, his welcoming of supporters of many races and religions) are incompatible with those labels. His record is somewhat mixed so far, but he has undoubtedly had a good effect on the economy, has reduced illegal immigration, has reduced actual US involvement in foreign wars, has appointed excellent Supreme court justices, and protected unborn life in multiple ways. His opponents, from the crazy Russian hoax, to the multiple fake outrages, the racist charges, the warmongering, the recession talk, seem hellbent on getting Trump and don't mind hurting the country in the process. I considered myself a "nevertrumper" in the last election cycle, but I am wavering given his relatively successful policies, the extreme nation-damaging policies of his Democratic opponents and the relentless fake media outrages. I suspect many formerly nevertrumpers might hold their nose and vote for Trump the second time around, unless the Democrats start making sense.

Adeolu Ademoyo
3 weeks 1 day ago

Tim O' Leary,
Mr. Donald Trump (Snr.) exercised his fundamental and constitutional right to freedom and self identification under the nation's law and constitution to blasphemously (i) self describe as the "chosen" one and (ii) called himself "king" of Israel in retweeting a tweet of one his "subjects" as a "king"! The self proclaimed "king" of Israel did not report that there was something wrong with him. So we must assume that he was sane and of sound mind when he said those things. Are you a Christian? Do you know what those things mean to our faith, our Christian faith? Given the history of the Church, do you know what it means for someone to describe himself as the second coming of "god" and "king" of Israel? Please think.

Now, on another note, do you want to unfairly take the "king's" fundamental and constitutional right away from him? I'm loving this!

Stuart Meisenzahl
3 weeks 1 day ago

Adeolu
This article by Mr Dark is about “disinformation”
.Your obsessive repetition of of the claim that Trump called white nationalist and neo nazi’s “fine people “ is a perfect example of just such disinformation.
Trump did indeed refer to the fact that in Charlottesville there were “fine people on both sides”BUT you simply ignore the rest of that quote:
“I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEO NAZI OR THE WHITE NATIONALISTS BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE CONDEMNED TOTALLY” ....
See USA Today, April 26 2019 “Trump’s Charlottesville Comment Twisted by Biden and the Media.

I look forward to your correction of your comment, since it is the moral thing to do

Adeolu Ademoyo
3 weeks 1 day ago

Stuart Meisenzahl,
Your "king" has said the following (i) He called himself white nationalist, (ii) he said there were good people among groups such as pro-Nazi groups, anti-semite groups, and racist groups that organized the Charlottesville anti-semite , racist rally, (iii) Your "king" never changed his racist and bigoted position on the the Central park five, (iv) Your "king' called himself the "chosen" one, the second coming of "god", the king of Israel. (v) At one of your king's rallies, your king and his base called people who do not look like them "invaders" and that they should be shot. (vi) Your king asked that American Citizens who are American Congresswomen to be deported to where they came from! It is significant to note that the ancestors of one of the Congress women were original founders of this country -which means they preceded the arrival of the parents of your king-who came from Germany and Scotland. My suggestion to you as a member of the king's base is that you should advise the king to stop it, seal his mouth and cut it off. Okay?

Stuart Meisenzahl
3 weeks 1 day ago

Adeolu
Just Read the USA Today article and stop the repetitive incoherence.

Adeolu Ademoyo
3 weeks 1 day ago

Stuart Meisenzahl,
As long as you keep defending the indefensible, I will "throw" the facts about your "king" at you and members of the "base", the "king's" base! Advise your "king" to seal his mouth, educate himself a little, just a little, and cut it out.

J Jones
3 weeks 1 day ago

Adeolu, it is good to hear your voice on these topics. It is a puzzle that so many decline to object when President Trump engages in the kinds of language you note. Hillary Clinton admits she was wrong to speak the offensive term "basket of deplorables". Barack Obama admits he was wrong to reduce a whole swath of American voters to "bitter people...cling[ing] to their guns and religion". Both Clinton and Obama used poor judgment and engaged in poor leadership at those moments. It was divisive language. It was disrespectful conduct from a United States Senator and it was disrespectful conduct from the former Secretary of State for the United States of America. Neither should have spoken those words. Both paid for those words. Each took responsibility by engaging in critical discussions of their poor judgment and poor leadership as evidenced by their language.

Natural consequences.

Why many have a hard time accepting that --- and demanding that Trump, as you say, "knock it off" - is a puzzle.

Again, it is a good to hear your voice on these topics, Adeolu.

Stuart Meisenzahl
3 weeks 1 day ago

J Jones
Trump is a narcissistic, bloviating ,intemperate, self indulgent and frequently foul mouthed individual. All of these flaws were on display before the election. Yet in his first run for office he beat a person with a 40+ history in politics( including Senator and Secretary of State); a person who had twice the money to spend as Trump; who had an experienced campaign team with 30 years of available experience. Further Trump was opposed by all 4 past living Presidents; opposed and pummeled daily by virtually every newspaper and media branch; was excoriated by the prior Republican nominee and generally opposed by the entire apparatus of the Republican Party and ran what everyone described as a “train wreck of a campaign”.
YET HE WON.....what you need to do is assess what that victory says about the defeatedDemocratic nominee and why the two entrenched political establishments were summarily and unexpectedly rejected.
The explanation that Trump could not have won on his own...The Russians did it....has collapsed with the Mueller Report and the new narrative is that Trump is a racist and that is how hw won. The leaks from the New York Times Retreat confirm this switch. I suggest you search the pre election record for the accusation that Trump is a racist .......I think you will find that this New Democrat political meme was born in the ashes of the Russian Collusion fiasco.

J Jones
3 weeks 1 day ago

Stuart- Here is a fact check re: your suggestion that Trump's racism had never been acknowledged and addressed prior to the conclusion of the Mueller investigation.
https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/may/22/viral-image/donald-trump-has-faced-allegations-racism-decades/

J Jones
3 weeks 1 day ago

Stuart, I think it likely that history will hold Trump, his Administration and his family 100% responsible for the fact they were investigated. They lied repeatedly about the fact of and content of their contacts with a foreign government. They refuse to acknowledge that their lies and contradictions and omissions and secretiveness about their contacts and relationships were a reasonable and expected focus of concern, investigative reporting and oversight. They refuse to accept that their penchant for breaking rules creates concern that they ARE breaking rules. Given the opportunity to clear things up, they refuse and they lie. They lie about inconsequential things and, caught in their lies, they redefine reality. His supporters
encourage Trump, his family and his Administration in their refusal to be accountable. Collectively, Trump, his administration, his family and his supporters refuse to acknowledge reality: suspect behavior is suspect behavior, and suspect behavior by public officials is cause for concern, and investigation is both a reasonable and appropriate response. Bottom line: Trump and his Administration and his family have engaged in suspect behavior. I believe the consensus by historians years from now --- when Trump is no longer able to create public chaos by throwing public tantrums --- will be that investigations of Trump, his Adminstration, his campaign and his family was a rational and appropriate response to the conduct of this Present dent, thus Administration, Trump's campaigns and Trump's family. I also believe history will assign to Trump, his Administration, his family AND his supporters sole responsibility for the fact they have been and still are under investigation.

Stuart Meisenzahl
3 weeks ago

J Jones
Judging by your above comment (predicting/ hoping for some future justification of Trump Investigations) you have been paying attention to the bright light on the front of the very large train engine named “ Inspector General General Horowitz” and his soon to be released Report on the origins of the Trump Russian Collusion hoax.
I think US Attorney Durham’s Investigation will be the bigger event because he has subpoena powers that Horowitz does not have. Indeed Durham has gone to Europe to get Testimony from Christopher Steele and foreign government agents who seem to have been involved in the earliest stages of a “set up”. In the end I think that the John Brennan/Clapper/Comey troika crashing our legal boundaries for political reasons will have a far greater place in history that Trump’s business deals. All three of those guys think of themselves as the “Beckets” of their time.

J Jones
3 weeks ago

I acknowledge that you choose not to acknowledge that investigations of the President, his Administration, his Campaign and his involved family members are wholly expected and appropriate consequences resulting from their voluntary, routine and objectively suspicious conduct and language in the performance of their duties as public servants and aspiring public servants. I acknowledge as well the factual inaccuracy of your assertion that public documentation of decades of racist conduct and language by the 45th President of the United States began in 2019 following the release of the Mueller report. It is a puzzle, Stuart.

Stuart Meisenzahl
3 weeks ago

J Jones
Here comes the train.......see you trying to step off the tracks in about in about 8 weeks

J Jones
3 weeks ago

Stuart, I acknowledge your decision to falsely assert that public documentation and public censure of Trump's decades of racist language and conduct did not begin until the end of the Mueller investigation. I also acknowledge your decision to distract from the reality that investigations of consistent, persistent, daily dishonest and misleading conduct and language by the President of the United States and his admin are appropriate and wholly expected consequences.

Stuart Meisenzahl
2 weeks 6 days ago

J Jones
I have indeed read the Politifact article and note that it is a regurgitation of a lot of past Trump incidents it contends .represent racism .....but note the date of this article is some 2 months post Mueller Investigation collapse.
These incidents were not the subject of ongoing coordinated newspaper coverage during Mueller/Russian Collusion storey.
The point I made above was that racism was little noted during the great Russian Collusion Hoax. This Politifact republished collection in May 2019 really proves my point: The collapse of the Mueller /Russian Collusion is being replaced by the charge of “Racism”
If you bother to read the reports of the Executive Dean Baquet’s remarks at the recent New York Times staff meeting youwill discover that he not only admits, but brags that for 2 1/2 years the New York Times has obsessively focused on the Russian Collusion story . But with collapse of the Russian narrative by the Mueller Investigation, Baguet said the New York Times would now take up in the same singular emphatic fashion “the charge of Trump’s racism”.
You might follow up on your Politifact citation by Googling Politifact for its coverage of the Baquet /Times /Trump Racism leak. So far I find Politifact has not covered the New York Times plan to spend the next two years charging Trump with being a racist.. Seems that story exposes the point of the Politifacts story you cited.

J Jones
2 weeks 6 days ago

Stuart, I acknowledge your choice to distract from the racist conduct and language of the 45th President of the United States throughout his adult life and, most importantly and dangerously, in his role as 45th President of the United States.

Stuart Meisenzahl
2 weeks 6 days ago

J Jones
And I turn I acknowledge your refusal to read the damning transcript of The NY Times staff Meeting published in full by Slate And others

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