‘Why does the church hate gay people?’ Boston bishop seeks to listen to young people

People gather at a June 14 candlelight vigil in Manila, Philippines, in memory of the victims of the mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla. Philippine Catholic bishops called for vigilance against bullying, ostracism and harassment of gay people in the wake of the incident in which police said a lone gunman killed 49 people early June 12 at the club. (CNS photo/Mark R. Cristino, EPA)People gather at a June 14 candlelight vigil in Manila, Philippines, in memory of the victims of the mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla. (CNS photo/Mark R. Cristino, EPA)

When an auxiliary bishop in the Archdiocese of Boston asked the nearly 200 students in a high school confirmation class what questions they had for him earlier this month, two themes quickly emerged. First, they wrote him, why did you want to become a bishop? Second, why does the church hate gay people?

The first one was easy, Bishop Mark O’Connell told them, since very few priests set out to become bishops.

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But the second question, which he said comes up frequently when he meets with young people, was more difficult for him to answer, not because church teaching is unclear to him, but because the language the church often uses fails to resonate with a generation that increasingly sees kindness as the highest virtue. An experience he had with a student following the listening session earlier this month led him to post a message on Twitter to encourage other bishops to listen to the concerns young Catholics have about fraught issues of gender and sexuality:

“I feel inspired by Pope Francis to find new language to express the beauty of our truth,” Bishop O’Connell told America in a recent interview. And to that end, the bishop, who also serves as pastor of a parish with 2,800 families, has held 22 listening sessions.

A canon lawyer by training, Bishop O’Connell said duringan address at his ordination as bishop last August that church leaders are called to reach out to the “many who feel the church doesn’t want them.” He said part of that ministry includes listening, including to “the many young adults who have nothing but skepticism and doubt when they think of the Catholic Church.”

Bishop O’Connell: “I feel inspired by Pope Francis to find new language to express the beauty of our truth.”

“By naming our own weaknesses, we can develop new language, new ways to explain the soundness of our teaching, new ways to show the beauty and authenticity of our faith to the world,” he said. “If we cannot find the new language, at least we can listen.”

In the interview with America, he made clear several times that he does not question church teaching on issues of gender and sexuality—he is simply searching for better ways to articulate those teachings during a particularly “critical moment” in the lives of young people.

“Giving them a bad explanation of the truth could cause them to lose their faith forever,” he said.

Many students tell him they see the church as “unkind” on L.G.B.T. issues, which he thinks is driven in part by media reports that tell them “we’re a bigoted church” and that Catholics are “bullies.”

“As a generation,” he said of today’s high school students, “they’re kind-hearted, and they don’t like people being put down, bullied.”

“Giving [young people] a bad explanation of the truth could cause them to lose their faith forever.”

He said that after reflecting on their questions he told them, “We’re not against gay people, we have lots of gay members in our church.” He noted that there are priests who are gay and who live chastely. He tries to impress upon young people that the church is “not prejudiced” against gay people but does not shy away from the church’s teaching on marriage.

Attitudes about L.G.B.T. issues among Catholics in the United States have changed in recent years. Catholics as a cohort are accepting of same-sex marriage and believe that businesses should not be allowed to discriminate against L.G.B.T. people in the marketplace. But officially, the church still bans gay men from entering seminaries, though how that rule is enforced varies from diocese to diocese, and sexual relations between people of the same gender are considered sinful. Since gay marriage was legalized nationwide in 2015, there has been a rash of firings of church workers because of issues related to sexuality.

Then there is the issue of language itself, which has caused turmoil between some L.G.B.T. Catholics and church leaders.

Bishop O’Connell said the search for acceptable language is ongoing, noting that even in the L.G.B.T. community language continues to evolve.

James Martin, S.J., an editor at America, published a book last year in which he calls church leaders to use the terms “gay” and “lesbian” when talking about L.G.B.T. people, rather than the more clinical sounding “same-sex attracted people” preferred by many church leaders. Many high-profile church leaders have backed Father Martin on this, though others continue to resist the labels.

For his part, Bishop O’Connell said the search for acceptable language is ongoing, noting that even in the L.G.B.T. community, language continues to evolve. “We need to work on language that we can all agree on,” he said.

The dizzying pace of progress for L.G.B.T. people has also presented the church with new challenges, he said. “These are not old issues,” he said, pointing specifically to the challenges over rights for transgender issues. “Jesus did not say, ‘In 2018, when we speak about transgender people, this is the answer.’”

“Jesus did not say, ‘In 2018, when we speak about transgender people, this is the answer.’”

Bishops, he said, are “struggling” with the issue and are considering, “How do we really be kind?” when formulating policies about bathrooms and locker rooms in church-affiliated institutions.

Young people see the church as a scold, the bishop said, and urged pastors to act like good parents when confronted with parishioners who are unsure about their gender or sexuality. If a child told a mom or dad that she or he is struggling with sexual identity, “a good parent would take that as a real cry for a conversation and not just say, ‘Stop it,’” he said.

In some of the other listening sessions Bishop O’Connell has hosted, he said there are usually two types of participants: “people confused because the church has too many rules” and “people confused because the church ‘took away’ all of our rules.”

“We are losing three generations of people, and we need to hear why.”

While many people have thanked the bishop for holding the listening sessions, he says not everyone agrees with the premise. One person told him that bishops should teach, not listen. But he says he takes seriously the goal of listening to the faithful, adding, “We’re not a church that should be afraid of questions, but I think a lot of people are afraid of these questions.”

When asked how church leaders might better address questions from young people about L.G.B.T. people, he said that first, “We have to stop avoiding it.” He said it is “rare” for bishops to listen to the concerns of young people about these issues, adding, “every bishop should be able to answer these questions adequately.”

But what if the young people are unimpressed with the answers they hear? Well, Bishop O’Connell said, they need to use their voice. “When I was first ordained 27 years ago, our high school students were upset that there weren’t girl altar servers,” he said. Today, it is common to see young girls serving in that role.

“We are losing three generations of people, and we need to hear why,” he said. “So I would encourage my brother bishops to listen, listen to what they’re saying.”

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Patrick Murtha
4 months ago

It is unreasonable and a great injustice to quote Scripture out of context. It is dishonest and unjust to quote anyone, man and, more so, God, out of the context of his full conversation; for it will make him seem to say what he never intended to say. It would be as if I took words out of your sentences and reframed your words against your intention. Soon you would be saying, "Who cares about my sexuality?" or "We need priests or bishops."

Christ never said there is no need for priests and bishops. He Himself created the first priests and bishops. In the same chapter of Matthew that you quote, we read that Christ gave great authority to the church. "And if he will not hear them, tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican. Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, shall be loosed also in heaven." (Matt. 18: 17-18) What is to be thought of this in relation to your words? But matters of faith and morals belong to the Church to protect and to clarify.

Christ also says, "Not everyone that says to me, "Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven: but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 7:21)

And again, "He that has my commandments and keeps them; he it is that loves me." (John 12:21)

Can we, by your own use of the authority of the words of Christ, to disregard Christ who says, regarding divorce, "whosoever shall put away his wife, excepting for fornication, makes her to commit adultery; and he that shall marry her that is put away, commits adultery"? (Matthew 5: 32) And then again, "Everyone that puts away his wife and marries another, commits adultery; and he that marries her that is put away from her husband, commits adultery" (Luke 16:18) (In other words, a man who divorces for any reason by marital infidelity becomes guilty of the adultery of his wife; and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. And by reason, the reversal.)

Robert Peppey
4 months ago

Sorry there is no where in the gospel where Jesus Christ used the words bishop or priest. He does denounce scribes, pharisees and the of the Sadduces.
“Beware of the scribes who like to walk around in long robes, and be greeted with respect in the marketplace, and to have the best seats in the synagogues and places of honor at banquets.”
The hey devour widow’s houses and for the sake of appearances say long prayers.
They will receive the greater condemnation.”
Mark 12. 37-40
In Luke 20. 45-47 the author repeats Marks words verbatim.
An here is what Saint Matthew records of the words of Jesus Christ in Mat 23. 1-36 on the same subjects, priests:
The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat; therefore do whatever they teach you and follow it; but do not do as they do, for they do not do what they teach.”
Matthew continues at 23. 8:
“But you are not to becalled rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all students.
And call no one your father on earth, fot you have one Father-the one in heaven.”

So much for the “Holy Father”, the papacy and the Curia.

Pick up at Mat 23. 10:
“Nor are you to be called instructors,
for you have one instructor, the Messiah.”

So much for the Catechism. We can throw that out the window.

The greatest among you will be your servant.
All who exalt themselves will be humbled, and all who humble themselves will be exalted.
Mat 23. 10-13

And there He kicks the College of Cardinals in their frocks and scarlet birreta’s

Final Word:
Mat 23. 23
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin and have neglected the weighter matters of the law:
justice and mercy and faith.”
“You blind guides!
You strain out a gnat and seallow a camel.”

Again throw away Bernard Law’s, Joseph Ratzinger’s and Karol Jòsef Wojtyla’s and Giovanni Maria Mastai-Ferretti’s Catechism and pick-up the Good Book now.
Amen.

Sandor Gyetvai
4 months ago

Hello Robert, in Fact, at no time did Jesus even speak english, so we can just throw out everything you just said too. Thank you for clearing that all up for us..... :-/

Derrick Kourie
4 months ago

I will probably be pilloried for this comment, but, as i see it, the good bishop misses the point. The issue is not one of better language to explain unchangeable teaching; it is about deficient teaching that needs revisiting. This applies across a wide spectrum, ranging from human sexuality to the nature of Jesus' mission. A spirituality, theology and teaching that derives from the middle ages is doomed to extinction. We need to revisit what Jesus and his first century followers taught -- based on their understanding of human life, cosmology, etc. -- and appropriately apply it to the of 21st century.

Pancho Mulongeni
4 months ago

Wonderful article to read, about how young people are challening the notion that their love is is less than, their sin more sinful. As Tim Donavon writes, why do peoole judge two men having sex as the worst of the worst. But unlike him, I am not here to give explanations, because of the fact that no one is keeping track of heterosexuals, people in or outside marriage, who fail to be chaste. That is the whole point of Amoris Laetitia, don't judge, becasue the Gospel is not a stone to hurl. Listen and accompany LGBT people, if they want you to. I for one am at point of not caring if you listen or not, its between me and God.
In saying that, I realize I loose out on the opportunity of genuinely sharing my whole self with fellow Catholics. Where I live in Windhoek, Namibia, there are no spaces within the offical Church groups, the youth, the men's groups or women's groups, where I can ask for advice on what it means to be queer and Catholic. I think we as queer people need to group together within the Church. Does anyone know of any LGBT friendly Catholic groups within the social media or online space? There was one on facebook, but it soon died.

I also want to stress that my attitude of "its between me and my God" is one that queer people across the board have to adopt, in the face of proscriptive and insensitive religious communities. In fact, I heard it from a queer Muslim woman. This attitude means we are on the defence at all time, we have to evaluate priests and other people in the Church, lest they hurl a stone at us. For some of you, you see us as wanting to live "a lifestyle". But has it ever occured to you that your marriage, with a picket fence and 2.3 kids is not a lifestyle as well, one we chose not have.

Ken Chang
4 months ago

I believe that the best thing for gays is to form their own Church. It defies logic for the Catholic Church to have gays as a member that considers their lifestyle a sin and they do not intend to give it up. To continue accepting a sinner that will not stop does not make sense. It is bad for the Church and bad for the gays, knowing that the Church considers their ways sinful, continuously. Their own Church can tell them that their God loves them as the are and approves and accepts them into paradise. This way, they can have peace of mind without recriminations. Any gay that is gay but not a practicing one, can remain in the Catholic Church. It is the sin that is the problem, having an orientation is not sinful. (A gay priest) Therefore, it is their problem to solve for themselves. There is no hate.

Vincent Gaglione
4 months ago

“We are losing three generations of people, and we need to hear why,” he said. “So I would encourage my brother bishops to listen, listen to what they’re saying.”

I have a close friend who complains that the Church no longer enforces strictness in compliance with even the simplest of courtesies, such as people coming to Mass late every week. When I tell him that locking the doors would mean that the pews would be emptier, he says that they would learn the lesson. My opinion is, they would stop coming to church. In fact, they have!

One of the questions that we - bishops, clergy, parents, churchgoers - have to ask ourselves is: why are there so many Catholics who perceive Catholicity as being so rigid. I like to annoy my friend with this question: now that we can eat meat on Fridays, does he really believe that a person who ate meat on a Friday and died that same day went straight to hell? Regretfully there are people so focused on the rigidities that the Church has imposed that they have totally lost the sense of redemption and mercy that Christ accomplished and that He expects us to share with each other and our fellow human beings in the world, even non-Catholics!

We used to be a church of sinners. In far too many Catholic minds we are a church of the elect and the sinners be damned. "Listen" is what the Bishop suggests - a start to reversing a mindset that took three generations to create and will take three generations to overcome.

Robert Peppey
4 months ago

In my family’s time as members of the Cathedral of Our Lady of Angels in Los Angeles we were not welcomed into the parish by any of the clerics who work there, even after becoming paying parishioners.

We attended a service at Saint John’s Episcopal Pro-Cathedral as a result of our frustration with Archbishop Jòse Gomez inviting Cardinal Cipriani to celebrate the Immigrant’s Mass several years ago. Cipriani of Lima is one of the most tawdry LGBTQ haters of the of the Roman Catholic hierarchy.

When we attended Mass at Saint John’s and several other Episcopal parishes we were warmly welcomed by the clergy and parishioners.

I still attend RC Mass during the week and recieve the Sacrament as I wish. Excommunicate me, if you like, but I know that the Bishops of the RC are little more than hacks who have worked their way to the top often at the expense of the “little ones.”; allowing pederast priests to prey on children.

Those Bishops who have done so must be brought before the secular authorities for their crimes against children especially His Excellency William Francis Malooly who was central in the crimes against children in the Archdiocese of Baltimore.

Robert Peppey
4 months ago

God is not in isolation from the abused and humiliated.
Jesus Christ is only truly free when the hungry are fed, the sick are made well, and justice is given to the poor, the humiliated and the abused.
None of us can be liberated with Christ Jesus until all are liberated.
In this unjustice and unredeemed social existence and its church we cannot be freed by Jesus Christ unless we beome the oppressed, identitfing with the struggle of the oppressed.
The establishment Church and its doctrinally driven laity claim to be the victims; in fact doing so to retain their social interests, ie their wealth and usually white privilege. Claiming a Christian indentity while in fact they oppose Jesus Christ’s essence which is feeding the poor, healing the sick and visiting prisoners.
D.Bonhoeffer coined the term “cheap grace” for those who turn their backs on the “little ones” and spout a decrepit catheticism.
Below read Christ’s final commands to his disciples:

“Feed my little lambs”
“Shepherd my flocks”
“Feed my flocks”
“Follow me”
John 21. 15-20

Now that seems simple enough and has nothing to do with thousands of human decrees.
I am suddenly reminded of the scene in “Spotlight” where Bernard Law gives a Catechism as a gift to the Jewish editor of the Boston Globe.

Robert Lewis
4 months ago

This whole controversy is so unnecessary and so sad, because it really is tearing the Church apart. All the Catholic Church would have to do is to welcome openly gay and lesbian people as parishioners, bless their rites of "sworn brotherhood" (or "sisterhood") at church doors, as she once did (Alan Bray's book, "The Friend" proves this uncontestibly), under the tacit assumption that they will strive to be chaste in their relationships, and explain to them why, for reasons having to do with Christology (as I have tried to explain on these threads now, many times before) she cannot provide to them the sacrament of holy matrimony. Put in those terms, I know that many gay and lesbian Catholics would accept their fellow Catholics' help to live chaste and Christian lives, because gay and lesbian Catholics were once some of the most devout. I also think that all of their Catholic supporters would most likely accept the humane and charitable arrangement I'm proposing, because it would display to them the Church's mercy.

Dan Acosta
4 months ago

The goal of militant homosexuality is nothing less than having things their way. The militant homosexual movement will not be satisfied with just a blessing. It demands capitulation to their demands. Their god of ego is a cruel, demanding god that takes no prisoners. No tolerance will be found in the religion of the ego.

Robert Lewis
4 months ago

None of the gay Catholics I know are part of the "militant homosexual movement," and what you and others like you MUST come to understand is that your straight sons and daughters, nieces and nephews have dear friends among that group, whom they are loathe to see castigated and demeaned. You've got to change your attitude, for the good of the Church.

Mike Theman
4 months ago

I've only read reviews of Bray's book, but what your suggesting is adopting an old partnership label for relationships that no longer exist in the modern world. The fact is that the coupling in Western civilization is synonymous with sexual/sodomite acts. A tacit (why tacit?) assumption of chastity is antithetical - if not nonsensical, because sex is impossible between people of the same sex - to the relationship that homosexuals seek approval of. It is not their "marriages" that they seek; it is acceptance of their sinful behavior as normal.

Robert Lewis
4 months ago

A very pessimistic and, almost, cynical point of view: aren't "all things possible in Christ"? Why not WORK to make those relationships come to exist once more in "the modern world"? Why do you so despair regarding the evangelizing of your gay brothers and sisters? Maybe if they had some challenge that they actually COULD accept, they might strive to meet it. And besides, the most important thing that gay folks dread, as they age, is not lack of sex; it's loneliness. Why do you insist that they be lonely, in their old age, when straight people don't have to be?

Charles Monsen
4 months ago

Robert - the Church does welcome openly gay people as parishioners. Just as it welcomes adulterers, porn addicts, and every other kind of sinner, including me. The Church, as far as I know anyway has no issue with openly gay men and women living together in platonic relationships. However it has a clear teaching that if those relationship become sexual, they are disordered and sinful. That just is. That is not a pejorative judgement, we all sin. Is being gay a particularly hard cross to carry? Maybe so. Put into Ignatian terms it may be very hard to find God in being Gay, and Catholic, but He is there somewhere.

Robert Lewis
4 months ago

Well "platonic relationships" that are sacramentalized, as Bray has proven that the "sworn brotherhoods" once were, by the Church, are exactly what I'm talking about.

Charles Monsen
4 months ago

Robert - thank you - I am sorry to say I have not read Mr. Bray's book. I did some looking around the internet - but I am unclear on exactly what you mean by "sacramentalized" , are you proposing the Church add another Sacrament? Or extend the Sacrament of Marriage to these brother/sister hoods ? Can you help clarify in plain terms what you would have the Church do.

Robert Lewis
4 months ago

Not sacraments, but "sacramentals"--similar to blessings of houses, ships, etc. A blessing for a pledge of permanent lifelong friendship, of a special, and almost exclusive nature, with the understanding that it is meant to be platonic, and that any deviation from that pledge would be handled privately, in the confessional. I know plenty of elderly and middle-aged gay males, and their greatest fear is loneliness, not the lack of sex in their lives.

Charles Monsen
3 months 4 weeks ago

I do not know of any teaching of the Church that is against men or women of any age to live together as brothers/sisters - the Church teaches nothing that is the cause of loneliness. On the contrary . I am still not sure exactly what a "sacramental" is. But I don't think there is anything I know off that would prevent a priest from giving anyone his blessing if they ask. I am sure that if two men went to any parish office, made an appointment with a priest, and explained they were going to live together in a brotherly manner, and asked for him to bless them - he would.

Robert Lewis
3 months 4 weeks ago

It should be in public, witnessed by a parish, so that the Catholic community might help them to keep the promise, in the same way that marriage vows are pledged in public.

Mike Theman
4 months ago

The power of the media (and its homosexual editors, e.g., James Martin) is extraordinary in that it is more powerful in conveying "what the church teaches" than the Church itself. It's also extraordinary that the Catholic Church with all its power has been unable to correctly convey its teachings to its own followers. Jesus challenged a whole empire's attacks against him. Today's Catholic Church sits back and oftentimes participates in demeaning itself.

If the Church teaching had been correctly conveyed to the child in the article, the question in the child's mind might be "Why does the Church teach that sodomy is wrong?" Of course, if that were the question, the answer would be obvious to any child, and the question replaced with, "Why would anyone want to engage in same-sex sodomy?" A trickier question to answer, for sure.

Stanley Kopacz
4 months ago

People born with club feet can't walk like the rest of us, the way intended by nature. Therefore they should stay seated and not walk at all.
Then there's people with anomalous speech like stutterers. Shut up.

Robert Peppey
4 months ago

Didn’t the Church consider people with clubfeet or a stutter possessed and send to the Holy Inquisitor(CDF)?

Patrick Murtha
4 months ago

No, the Church never considered such a thing...unless Monty Python's Holy Grail is to provide the proof.

Charles Monsen
4 months ago

I understand the confusion of the young people who asked the question, and many of the posters as well, that have a difficult time understanding the difference between disagree and hate. In the world we live in there is little evidence of amicable disagreement. Where truth is relative, and often argued as fake.

I have no real understanding however on the good Bishop’s difficulty in teaching what the Church believes. One of the great things about being Catholic is we don’t need to guess or opine on what the Church believes on most things. It is clearly written for us, and usually quite easy to find.
As posted above – the catechism is quite clear on this issue. I would also like to add from the catechism:

They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

This should not be a difficult message for the Bishop to teach. It may be a difficult message for many to understand in this secular world. We have been overly indoctrinated by the modern media on the naturalness of homosexuality. Hearing a clear voice in disagreement may seem harsh from their secular point of view.

However the Church teaching is quite clear, and needs to be stated with the spiritual freedom that it is a truth of the Church. If that truth has consequences of offending some, of some viewing this teaching as hateful, or as some above suggest have people leave the Church - so be it.

As to the other points above - there should be no shame in this, it is just sin, and we are all sinners. In the 60 some years I have been going to mass, I never remember anyone stopping me at the door to ask the nature of my particular sin. Nor have I ever seen anyone else ask. The door to my Church is open to all. All are welcome. There is a priest in the back 30 min before mass, if you are in mortal sin, he will welcome your confession, and absolve your sins. On the altar you will see the re-presentation of the sacrifice of Calvary. At communion you can become one with the real presence of Jesus Christ - if that is not love, I do not know what love is.

Dan Acosta
4 months ago

I see from the number of comments that this topic has struck a nerve. Throughout the world's cultures, much value has been placed in the wisdom of the elders. We are told in the world's literature that the young sit at the feet of the old to learn wisdom. Now our culture decides that modern man should flip that age-old wisdom on its head and the elder should sit at the feet of the "enlightened" and so-much-better-educated and sensitive young to gain insight. Bull. Priests (from presbyteroi=elders) and bishops (from episcopoi=over-seers) have the responsibility to teach the young first the language of virtue and second the life of virtue with the urgency the times require and with the love with which all ages deserve. Young people should learn from the wisdom of the old, not the other way around. Our bishops should heed the words of St. Paul to the Corinthians: "Be on your guard, stand firm in the faith, be courageous, be strong. Your every act should be done with love." 1 Cor 16:13

J Brookbank
4 months ago

The Bishop recommends listening to young Catholics. THAT was his point.

And yet neither the Bishop nor many here actually listened to the young Catholic person in the article. This was a Catholic kid in confirmation class and, most likely, a cradle Catholic, a kid brought up in the Church.

A careful listener of the young person"s question and, thus, a careful reader of the title would understand that the young person was asking this: "why does MY church hate gay people?"

Those of you, including the Bishop, who blame anti-Catholic bias and the media and everyone but Catholicism for the lived experience of this young Catholic person, are failing to listen.

You may not hate gay people. When you say you don't hate gay people, I believe you.

I also believe my gay Catholic friends and my own lived experience as a straight Catholic woman that the response to openly gay Catholic kids and adults is often hateful.

At the core of Catholicism is the tension of living with paradox. You don't mean to be hateful and many gay Catholics feel hated by you and by the Church. And many straight Catholics believe you behave and speak hatefully, and you don't mean to behave and speak hatefully.

Just be quiet for awhile. LISTEN to that.

Both things CAN be true. ALL that can be true.

Just be quiet for awhile. Listen to that.

Then pray, "Speak, Lord. Your servant is listening "

Jean Brookbank

James Haraldson
3 months 4 weeks ago

Truth comes from the mind of God and only the mind of God. It is not a product of the sentiments of any sociological category of any society of any epoch of history. Got it?

Trish Sullivan Vanni
3 months 3 weeks ago

"Advances in biology, psychology, and the social sciences not only bring men hope of improved self-knowledge; in conjunction with technical methods, they are helping men exert direct influence on the life of social groups." Gaudium et Spes

"For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor present things,* nor future things, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Listening is one thing. Dialog (dia logos, through the word) that will allow hearts and minds to transform is what is needed. Until then, young people (and that would be everyone 60 and younger in the U.S., let's get real) will vote with their feet.

I will add that I am offended, even scandalized, by the bile and slander heaped on Fr. Jim Martin. Shame.

Michael McDermott
3 months 3 weeks ago

The obfuscation of the underlying truth about the GILBERT Gaystapo Alliance Agenda - is central to this article and the political pogrom targeting the Church and its Teachings.

Using deliberately Sanitized / Gaily Misleading Euphemisms to cover for Objectively disordered Behaviors and Hatreds is central to the Thought Police pogrom being pushed at America. Quite simply, they have to use misleading propaganda terms, or the very facts of the behaviors being pushed will serve to turn their targets against their propaganda.

The Alliance between Homo-Anal Coprophiles, Dyke Misandrists &
Tranny Fetish Freaks is not one of mutual love. in fact they mostly despise each other - and it is only their hatred of the 'Hetero-Patriarchy' and desire to scatter the herd so as to hunt the young that really binds them.

The pathological nightmare of the Homo-Anal 'Conga Line of Buggery' has taken countless lives and ruined many many more. The Infiltration of the Priesthood by Homosex Ephebophiles Targeting Adolescent Boys has done more harm to the Church than almost all outside attackers.

This scam has been de-bunked by many competent sources, all of whom seem to be Censored at America, lest readers get exposed to politically ungood facts and positions that might not serve the GILBERT Agenda.

For a Comprehensive analysis by enlightened professionals SEE:
Presentations from the MassResistance Texas Teens4Truth Conference
Equipping youth and parents to counter the LGBT agenda in schools.
Powerful speakers on vital issues that every pro-family person needs to know!
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Michael McDermott
3 months 3 weeks ago

BTW - Does anyone find it 'curious' that an article about the Radical Homosex Attack on the Church, with ties to the Boston Hierarchy, fails to mention the nightmarish Scandal that resulted from pandering to such evil: SEE

Cardinal Bernard Law, Boston archbishop at center of church sex-abuse scandal, dies at 86
https://www.sltrib.com/news/nation-world/2017/12/20/cardinal-bernard-la…

Cardinal Bernard Law, the Boston archbishop who became one of the most influential Catholic leaders in the United States before resigning in 2002 amid revelations that he and other prelates had known for years of rampant child molestation by parish priests, a scandal that has been called the church's darkest crisis of the modern era....

But controversy engulfed Cardinal Law - revelations that church officials had covered up sexual abuse in the priesthood for decades by shuffling alleged offenders among parishes.

Cardinal Law was never accused of committing sexual abuse, and he denounced the offense as a "terrible evil." But for many Catholics as well as non-Catholics, he became a symbol of the church's failure to protect the young from priests who exploited the trust that traditionally accompanies their role...

Massachusetts attorney general Thomas Reilly - released a report on the matter, declaring that "the mistreatment of children was so massive and so prolonged that it borders on the unbelievable."

Although not bearing sole responsibility for the wrongdoing, Cardinal Law, the report found, "had direct knowledge of the scope, duration and severity of the crisis experienced by children in the Archdiocese; he participated directly in crucial decisions concerning the assignment of abusive priests, decisions that typically increased the risk to children."

Among the most notorious offenders in the Boston area was Father John Geoghan. Church documents unearthed as the scandal was uncovered showed that Cardinal Law had known of accusations against Geoghan and still permitted the priest to continue his pastoral work. In all, Geoghan would be accused of abusing 150 children, mainly boys, over decades and in numerous parishes...

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