“I was part of the problem,” Francis tells Chilean abuse victims

Chilean clerical sex abuse survivors Juan Carlos Cruz, James Hamilton and Jose Andres Murillo prepare to speak to the media at the Foreign Press Association building in Rome May 2. (CNS photo/Paul Haring). 

“I was part of the problem! I caused this. I am very sorry, and I ask your forgiveness,” Pope Francis told the Chilean victims of sexual abuse and cover up when he met them in two-hour personal encounters, and then as a group, in the Vatican over the past days.

“It is not up to us to carry out the necessary transformation in the church to stop the epidemic of sexual abuse and cover up. We hope that Pope Francis transforms his loving words of forgiveness into exemplary actions. Otherwise all this will be in vain.”

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That is what the three best known Chilean victims of abuse—Juan Carlos Cruz, James Hamilton and Andrés Murillo—told a crowded press conference in Rome after having spent a week as the pope’s guests at Santa Marta, the Vatican guesthouse where he lives, and sharing with him their history and their proposals.

“For almost ten years we have been treated as enemies because we fight against sexual abuse and cover up in the Church. These days we met the friendly face of the Church, completely different from the one we have seen before,” they said in a statement given to the press.

“For almost ten years we have been treated as enemies because we fight against sexual abuse...These days we met the friendly face of the Church.”

All three were victims of Chile’s most notorious predator priest, Father Fernando Karadima, whom the Vatican condemned at the age of 80 to a life of prayer and penance. All three blame Bishop Juan Barros of Osorno for being present when they were abused and covering this up, though he denies it. In fact, they blame those who covered up even more than their abuser.

Mr. Cruz said that while it “hurt” them that Pope Francis defended Bishop Barros and accused them of calumny during his visit to Chile, they now recognize that he was badly informed and on his return to Rome he understood the disaster in the country and so sent Archbishop Charles Scicluna and Father Jordi Bertomeu to listen to the victims and other witnesses. They said that when his envoys reported back to him his eyes were opened and he understood the reality of their situation, and so invited them to ask forgiveness, to listen to them and to hear their proposals to avoid a repetition of such abuse. He also summoned the bishops who will come to meet him May 14-17. They expect him to take action after that meeting.

“Pope Francis formally asked us for forgiveness, in his own name and on behalf of the universal Church. We recognize and appreciate this gesture and the enormous generosity and hospitality of these days,” they said in their statement.

Speaking to the press, they spoke very positively about their individual meetings with the pope and told more than 100 journalists from the international and Italian media at a conference at the Stampa Estera (Foreign press association), “we were able to speak frankly and respectfully with the Pope. We talked about difficult issues, such as sexual abuse, abuse of power and especially the cover-up of the Chilean bishops,” which they said they refer to not as “sins” but as “crimes and corruption, that do not end in Chile, but are an epidemic” that has “destroyed thousands of lives.”

They said, “the pope was very attentive, receptive, and very emphatic during the intense and long hours of conversation.” They said that he asked them “to keep generating ideas and suggestions,” which they promised to do in the coming days.

“Pope Francis formally asked us for forgiveness, in his own name and on behalf of the universal Church.”

In the press conference that was being transmitted by live-television to Chile, each one identified the thing that struck them most in their personal encounters with Francis.

Juan Carlos Cruz, 55, the best known of the victims and an executive in the communications field who now lives in the United States, said he spoke three hours alone with Pope Francis. He told the press, “I have never, never seen someone being so contrite about what he was telling me. The pope was truly sorry about what he told me. I felt he was also hurting. That for me was a very solemn moment.”

Mr. Cruz said that when he told the pope that he accepted his expression of forgiveness, Francis told him, “I was part of the problem! I caused this, and I am very sorry! He asked me pardon from the heart.”

He said another important moment was when he was able to tell the pope about “so many people who were not as lucky as we are and who died crying.” He was referring to the many who committed suicide as a result of their abuse and the failure of the church to help them.

James Hamilton, 52, a well-known gastroenterologist in Chile, described his face-to-face conversation with the pope as “very good, very respectful, very sincere and a healing encounter.” “He asked us for help and to pray for him. We met a real human being,” but, he said, the most important moment came when the pope told him “there is no turning back.”

Andrés Murillo, 43, a philosopher and teacher in Chile who now does much work with children and young people who are abused, said he too believed the pope “was sincere” when he asked forgiveness but, for him, the most “surprising moment was when he said sexual abuse is not a sin, it is corruption. At that moment I felt he understood and will do something important.”

In their personal conversations with Francis, they said they spoke about many things. Mr. Murillo emphasized that “Chile does not have a monopoly on sexual abuse, it is an epidemic elsewhere in the world too.” He praised the many priests, religious and lay people who are fighting this epidemic and recalled in particular Barbara Blaine in the United States, the founder of the Survivor Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, who died last year.

“We didn’t shy away from talking about difficult things,” Mr. Cruz said.

“We didn’t shy away from talking about difficult things, and when we spoke about bishops and others who cover up we talked with great detail,” Mr. Cruz added. He said he named not only Bishop Barros, but also the other bishops that were part of the Karadima group. He also told the pope about the exchange of emails between Cardinals Ricardo Ezatti and Francisco Errazuriz in which they called him “a serpent” and worked to block his being appointed as a member of the Papal Commission to Protect Minors.

James Hamilton strongly denounced Cardinal Erazzuriz as “a criminal who covered up” because he knew about the crimes of Father Karadima since 2002, when Mr. Murillo gave him a letter detailing them and later when Hamilton gave sworn testimony about the same, but he did nothing, “he covered up Karadima’s crimes for more than five years.”

He denounced both cardinals as “criminals that covered up” and recalled that when he went “to ask for help when I was dying inside, they killed me once again.” He said he would like to see them both in prison. He made a public appeal to the president of Chile to remove the statute of limitations on sexual abuse cases.

Questioned as to whether he had asked the pope if he had read his letter that Cardinal O’Malley had given Francis in 2015, Mr. Cruz said he had not, but he said it was clear that the pope was badly informed about their situation. But now, at his own request, he is fully informed of the reality of the abuse and cover up in Chile.

Mr. Murillo told the press, “We asked the Pope not to let his hand tremble before the crimes and corruption that has happened in Chile.” He said they also reminded him that this same reality is happening in other parts of the world too.

“We are facing the greatest crisis of the church in history, it is an internal crisis that is killing the faith from within, and [the church’s] credibility,” Mr. Hamilton stated. But he said he and his companions are hopeful that their visit has helped to turn a new page in the Vatican.

“We all deserve a second chance. If we do not see change we will continue our fight for all those who suffer abuse in the world. If we see change, we will be the first to come and help the pope,” Mr. Hamilton concluded.

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Henry George
3 weeks 3 days ago

I think Pope Francis should ask/demand the resignation of all Cardinals/Bishops/Priests who either carried out such acts or covered them up and then, he, himself, yes Pope Francis should step down and live a life of penance as a sign that the Church not only repents but performs penance for those actions.

For in this case, Francis actions would speak louder than any words.

Robert Lewis
3 weeks 3 days ago

Pope Francis's resignation would be a catastrophe in many regards, including continuance of failure to put a stop to the abuses of minors, because no other pope has ever been so serious about punishing the guilty--not John Paul II, and not Benedict XVI.--who, himself, as Cardinal-Archbishop of Munich, failed to take serious steps to discipline pedophile priests in his diocese, and only became serious about the situation after he was called to Rome.

Henry George
3 weeks 3 days ago

Robert,

Francis could ask Benedict to join him in a life of penance.
As for Francis stepping down - once he removes the Cardinals/Bishops/Priests who are guilty
trust in the Holy Spirit to bring a new Pope who can start anew and do what is right.
Francis is not going to be Pope forever.

Robert Lewis
3 weeks ago

Perhaps not, but I agree with Damian Thompson, that he's going to be pope long enough to ensure his reforms of the Church, to bring it more in line with Vatican II, will continue during the next pontificate--and that he'll do that by packing the Sacred College with cardinals who agree that it's about time to halt the reaction AGAINST Vatican II.

Henry George
3 weeks ago

Robert,

No one knows how long Francis will live and no one knows who the next Pope will be.

In terms of bringing the Church more in line with Vatican II, one can only wonder, given the state of the
Church some five decades after Vatican II.

The renewals proposed by Vatican II pale in comparision to the violence down to these children and young people.

Pope Francis needs to do what is right and proper and demand the resignation of all involved and then ask
Benedict to live a life of penance and then he, himself should resign and lead a life of penance.

As for the reaction against Vatican II, why do you wish to oppress those who "react AGAINST" Vatican II
are you trying to create an Totalitarian Church ?

Betty Dudney
3 weeks 3 days ago

Asking Pope Francis as example to world to end
discrimination, inequality, to end wars.
No more money for sexism, racism, inequality!
Or month of May Rosary for Peace, per request by Pope.

Bill Niermeyer
3 weeks 3 days ago

That headline that the Pope said is one dynamic statement. I hope his next meeting with all the Bishops later this May will result in serious action.

Bill Mazzella
3 weeks 3 days ago

I was very disappointed that Francis supported the Chilean bishops for so long. But I give him credit for acknowledging his wrongdoing. Truly a courageous act. Bravo.

arthur mccaffrey
3 weeks 3 days ago

thanks to the Holy Spirit for giving these men the grace and courage and wisdom to speak such truth to power.....the ball is now in the Pope's court-- this is a turning point in his papacy---is he a Pope in words only?

Jong Ricafort
3 weeks 2 days ago

That's what you called genuine humility... So rare a man admits to his human limitations.But on the other hand, I knew our beloved Pope Francis is a Master in the Art of War.. Prudence tells me Pope Francis somehow play the game of Cardinals,Bishops and Priest involved in the cover-up to corner them at the right & perfect time for them not to have anymore excuses and lies. Great Wisdom & Graces is given to the humble remember that, as always Pope Francis exemplifies the Mastery in the Art of War. Godbless!

Vincent Gaglione
3 weeks 2 days ago

Amazing how the simple admission of the truth about himself gets interpreted by so many as calculated and devious political strategy on the part of Pope Francis. I suggest that this perception says more about the conduct of our religious leaders in years past and even currently. They speak like politicians, carefully gauging their words and responses as to navigate difficult circumstances or situations. They preach vociferously against the faithful using the same obfuscations in their personal lives on the moral level, however. As my Irish grandmother used to say, they preach “do as I say, not as I do.” Not quite the example of Christ.

Several more years of Pope Francis will be a healthy antiseptic to a Church infected with moral equivalencies from its leaders. The scandal in the Church has not been the abuses – sinfulness is a common trait among all human beings, no matter their position or state in life - but rather trying to protect the Church from publicity to the faithful about them. What the bishops overlooked and quickly forgave of clergy, they were not so generous in forgiveness to the faithful. To hear the leader of the Catholic Church admit that is probably one of the greatest papal statements in recent years, and it isn’t a papal encyclical or bull, no pun intended.

James Haraldson
3 weeks 1 day ago

How will he ever apologize to the billions of victims he has facilitated by bringing moral relativism to the Catholic religion, one of the very things Jesus created His Church to prevent in this world.

Wilfreda Gonzalez
2 weeks 4 days ago

By you leading the effort: get in the field and tend to the sheep. The harvest is plenty, trollers whining about the Pope far outnumber the days they have left before Christ snatches them and throws them in the fires of hell. Get busy! ha

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