‘Is my dad in heaven,’ little boy asks pope

Pope Francis embraces Emanuele, a boy whose father died, as he visits St. Paul of the Cross Parish in Rome April 15. (CNS photo/Paul Haring)

ROME (CNS) — After circling a massive, crumbling public housing complex on the outskirts of Rome, Pope Francis had an emotional encounter with the neighborhood’s children.

Question-and-answer sessions with youngsters are a standard part of Pope Francis’ parish visits. And, at St. Paul of the Cross parish April 15, there were the usual questions like, “How did you feel when you were elected pope?”

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But then it was Emanuele’s turn. The young boy smiled at the pope as he approached the microphone. But then froze. “I can’t do it,” Emanuele said.

Msgr. Leonardo Sapienza, a papal aide, encouraged the boy, but he kept saying, “I can’t.”

“Come, come to me, Emanuele,” the pope said. “Come and whisper it in my ear.”

Msgr. Sapienza helped the boy up to the platform where the pope was seated. Emanuele was sobbing by that point, and Pope Francis enveloped him in a big embrace, patting his head and speaking softly to him.

With their heads touching, the pope and the boy spoke privately to each other before Emanuele returned to his seat.

“If only we could all cry like Emanuele when we have an ache in our hearts like he has,” the pope told the children. “He was crying for his father and had the courage to do it in front of us because in his heart there is love for his father.”

Pope Francis said he had asked Emanuele if he could share the boy’s question and the boy agreed. “‘A little while ago my father passed away. He was a nonbeliever, but he had all four of his children baptized. He was a good man. Is dad in heaven?'”

“How beautiful to hear a son say of his father, ‘He was good,'” the pope told the children. “And what a beautiful witness of a son who inherited the strength of his father, who had the courage to cry in front of all of us. If that man was able to make his children like that, then it’s true, he was a good man. He was a good man.

“That man did not have the gift of faith, he wasn’t a believer, but he had his children baptized. He had a good heart,” Pope Francis said.

“God is the one who says who goes to heaven,” the pope explained.

The next step in answering Emanuele’s question, he said, would be to think about what God is like and, especially, what kind of heart God has. “What do you think? A father’s heart. God has a dad’s heart. And with a dad who was not a believer, but who baptized his children and gave them that bravura, do you think God would be able to leave him far from himself?”

“God is the one who says who goes to heaven,” the pope explained.

“Does God abandon his children?” the pope asked. “Does God abandon his children when they are good?”

The children shouted, “No.”

“There, Emanuele, that is the answer,” the pope told the boy. “God surely was proud of your father, because it is easier as a believer to baptize your children than to baptize them when you are not a believer. Surely this pleased God very much.”

Pope Francis encouraged Emanuele to “talk to your dad; pray to your dad.”

Earlier, a young girl named Carlotta also asked the pope a delicate question: “When we are baptized, we become children of God. People who aren’t baptized, are they not children of God?”

“What does your heart tell you?” the pope asked Carlotta. She said, they are, too.

“Right, and I’ll explain,” the pope told her. “We are all children of God. Everyone. Everyone.”

The nonbaptized, members of other religions, those who worship idols, “even the mafiosi,” who terrorize the neighborhood around the parish, are children of God, though “they prefer to behave like children of the devil,” he said.

“God created everyone, loves everyone and put in everyone’s heart a conscience so they would recognize what is good and distinguish it from what is bad,” the pope said.

The difference, he said, is that “when you were baptized, the Holy Spirit entered into that conscience and reinforced your belonging to God and, in that sense, you became more of a daughter of God because you’re a child of God like everyone, but with the strength of the Holy Spirit.”

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Phillip Stone
3 months ago

I appreciate this reporting of encounters and transactions between a pastor and some of his lambs.
Scholastics and pedants and fundamentalists are likely to attack these words as unfaithful to the deposit of faith, sounding gongs and tinkling cymbals, signifying nothing.
I have been very troubled by the public reporting of things this man says and am always grateful to get just the facts and not the unbeliever journalists or editors opinions.

Carol Cox
3 months ago

Once again, Pope Francis filled my heart and soul with love! In an ever challenging world, this Jesuit makes sense of the world for all who question, "Why?" The simple fact that he asked the child if he could share with the group what he had told the Pope was laudable. Seeking a child's permission in a public venue is a very generous act. What children think and feel is so seldom taken into consideration by the adults in their lives. God bless you, Holy Father. Carol Cox

Sean Cummings
2 months 3 weeks ago

Carol, does the pope and his priesthood ask permission when they molest little boys and girls?

Tim O'Leary
2 months 3 weeks ago

Sean - do you? I am assuming you are not a priest. After all, child abuse is much more common among lay people, by a factor of 100x.

Lisa Weber
3 months ago

This is a sweet video! Pope Francis shows the love of God to everyone when he treats children with tenderness.

Toby Gillis
3 months ago

So the Pope flat out lied to or deceived a child. Not surprised as the papacy has been doing so to all of it's congregation forever.

Phillip Stone
2 months 4 weeks ago

You have taken the trouble to accuse Francis of grave sin for some reason known as yet only to yourself.
Please substantiate your accusation or at least give us the benefit of knowing your heart, what answer would you have given this child?

Sean Cummings
2 months 3 weeks ago

Right on, brother! Good to see somebody on here has some sense and rational.

Thu Trang
2 months 4 weeks ago

Summer is easy with heavy rain but I like it. It's wonderful to have rainbows after rain, and I watch it until it disappears. It seems to be free but it helps me feel comfortable
papas games

Sean Cummings
2 months 3 weeks ago

Wow, not sure how this pertains to the article. Somebody must have dropped acid before posting.

Thomas Severin
2 months 4 weeks ago

I saw Pope Francis in Rome a year ago and even from 100 yards away, with his back turned towards me in his pope mobile, I could sense his holiness. I had a similar feeling while watching the tape with the young boy. You can see the pope's holiness in his eyes. They exude God's love and compassion for everyone. We are all blessed to have Francis as our pope.

Shalom Pax
2 months 4 weeks ago

The fact that he had four children certainly shows a great generosity...

mar dabo
2 months 3 weeks ago

How wonderful that we can base our understanding of what's true on how we feel.

Sean Cummings
2 months 3 weeks ago

What’s true is NOT how you feel. What’s true is what the scripture alone says. You may feel good to think the pope is a godly man. But, I presume it also feels good to drip acid. Just ask “Thu Thang” who posted earlier.

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