The National Catholic Review
A few weeks ago, Archbishop Malcolm Ranjith, Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship, said that he saw a certain obstinance (my word, not his) in response to Pope Benedict’s "motu proprio," relaxing restrictions on the Latin Mass, called "Summorum Pontificum." Here’s what Archbishop Ranjith said in an interview: "You know that there have been, by some dioceses, even interpretative documents which inexplainably intend to limit the Pope’s motu proprio. These actions mask behind them, on one hand, prejudices of an ideological kind and, on the other, pride, one of the gravest sins. I repeat: I invite all to obey the Pope." (Catholic News Agency) Which makes me wonder: Five months after "Summorum Pontificum" was promulgated, how many American parishes have chosen to introduce a Latin Mass? What is your experience?


Anonymous | 12/22/2007 - 11:58pm
I live in the Worcester diocese of Massachusetts and my experience has not been very positive either. The Monsignor I spoke to at the Bishop's office made it pretty clear that they have no intention of offering anything to traditionalist Catholics. Cardinal O'Malley of the Boston Archdiocese made some very revealing comments in The Pilot. He said that in his research he found very few SSPX people in this area of the country. As if Motu Proprio was intended only for people who belong to SSPX!
Anonymous | 12/20/2007 - 1:36pm
Seems like part of my comment disappeared into cyberspace. I just wanted to add that I have been attending the Novus Ordo since I converted to Catholicism twenty-five years ago but was introduced to the TLM when I attended Catholic school pre-VII and fell in love with it. If necessary we will retire to an area where the Extraordinary Mass is readily available.
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 9:17pm
Scott: Since I can't post links here, I'll just tell you to Google Una Voce North Alabama. It will give you dates and times of the TLM in the diocese of Birmingham. I read on another board that Bishop BAker has approved bi-monthly celbrations of it in both Huntsville and Birmingham, with the intent of having them both go weekly, if there is enough interest.
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 8:58pm
I suspect that honest polling of those who grew up with the TLM will consistently find that 5 to 15% desire a return to it. I suspect that a polling of weekly mass attending Catholics will find that 2 to 5% of the general Catholic population desires access to the TLM. I suspect that these numbers will grow with time, not shrink. Practicing Catholics try to be obedient and do not usually resist their pastors and bishops. Their pastors and bishops have told them for 40 years that they were being “bad” or “disobedient” Catholics if they openly expressed a desire for a return of the TLM. Now that they can no longer be coerced into believing they are being “bad” or “disobedient” Catholics if they openly express a desire for the TLM, they will start expressing that desire. But it will take a little while longer yet before the stigma of that desire (rightfully) fades, so the demand for the TLM will build slowly. The Cardinals, bishops, and priests held that stigma over the heads of Catholics for 40 years, and it has only been lifted for 3 months. You cannot expect the laity to know they have this right when Cardinals, bishops, and priests openly continue to try to undermine Summorum Pontificum, and you cannot accept at face value these claims, by the same Cardinals, bishops, and priests, that there is no demand for the TLM and none to be forthcoming. By the way, if only 2 to 5% of American Catholics desire the TLM at present, that is still between 1 and 3 million of the most committed Catholics in the Church. And everywhere the TLM sprouts, it attracts the youth.
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 3:51pm
Our pastor offered the TLM for about a year, all the while expressing hostility towards it and some of the people who attended. Needless to say the numbers attending dwindled, and it has not been offered for about six months. Now there is no Extraordinary Mass offered within a three hour drive, one way. And no, I am not a
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 1:52pm
No. As yet there is no available mass at my parish and I can not find it available in the Diocese of Birmingham, AL.
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 12:05pm
As you gauge the desire for a "great return", please note the latest release from San Francisco: Norms issued on pre - Vatican II Latin Mass celebration according to the missal of Blessed John XXIII of 1962 by Archbishop George H. Niederauer. Focusing primarily on celebration of the Mass, although other sacraments are mentioned, the new local regulations spell out requirements for clerical competency in the pre - conciliar form of the Eucharistic liturgy and provide some specifics on pastoral questions. The norms, for example: Require that archdiocesan priests " give evidence of their ability with the Latin language as well as adequate knowledge of the rubrics for the proper celebration according to the 1962 missal " before they may celebrate in the older form; a priest not of the Archdiocese is required to " provide an authentic letter of good standing " and assurance of liturgical competency from his bishop or religious superior to the archdiocesan vicar for clergy or chancellor; Define " stable group " of parishioners who may seek a regular celebration of the Mass in the extraordinary form as 30 persons " in the same location and in an ongoing manner. " Suggest priests consider " the possibility of celebrating the ordinary form in the Latin language…as an alternative to using the extraordinary form in satisfying the spiritual needs of the faithful who desire a Latin Mass " ; Instruct priests they may not on their " own initiative " schedule a public Mass according to the extraordinary form; that such public Masses are to be celebrated only " in parishes where there is a stable group of the faithful who adhere to the earlier tradition " and request such a liturgy; Emphasize that a pastor must keep parish harmony and unity in mind in the event celebration according to the extraordinary form is authorized.
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 10:43am
Fr. Martin: If you want to gauge the growth of the TLM in this country and around the world, you should talk to folks from Una Voce and St. John Cantius and the FSSP. I'm sure any of them would be happy to talk to you. Baronius Press, as well. Sales of traditional missals have been skyrocketing, and doubt that is because "no one is really interested." You might, again - if you are really interested - talk to a few bishops who have expressed openness. Bishop Burbidge of Raleigh, Baker of Birmingham, Morlino of Madison, Finn of Kansas City, Olmstead of Phoenix, Sheehan of Santa Fe, Dolan of Milwaukee - have all been supportive of communities that wish to celebrate this Mass and sacraments according to the pre-V2 rites. Talk to Fr. Samuel Weber, OSB, who has been celebrating the TLM at Wake Forest. It's an interesting world out there. It should also be clear - and perhaps this is something to address - that the people answering this question and either being pleased or frustrated by access to the TLM are - LAY PEOPLE. That needs to be grappled with by those who have characterized this mode of spirituality as clericalist and dedicated to non-participation. If it is lay people seeking it and clerics who are resistant, what does that say? If people are willing to drive and drive to reach a TLM, does that indicate that what they view they are doing as "non-participatory?" Would you go to that trouble to be involved in something in which you felt left out, excluded or unsatisfied?
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 10:39am
I have had the same experience from Los Angeles. I received a cold negative answer that basically mirrored the remarks of others in the Los Angeles Area. They referred me to the website and the only ones available are once a month at different out of the way areas.
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 8:21pm
It is a very curious phenomenon to me that so many who want the Latin Mass are so young and that so many young priests want it back. Perhaps they have to go through the same stages of spiritual growth as we of pre-Vatican Council II did: fascination with and inspiration from the romantic trappings during our adolescent stage to concern for the message and the decidedly unromantic gritty living of the gospel during our adult stage. When I was young, I went with my grandmother and great aunts to little millener shops where perfumed clerks seated them at chintz skirted dressing tables and brought beautiful veiled hats to them in velvet trimmed boxes. I couldn't wait to grow up and become a woman and be part of all that elegance. But what do you know? Hats and gloves went out of style and I grew up and realized that neither had anything at all to do with being a real woman. Just a little analogy. Kathy
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 6:59pm
Fr. Martin -- there have been many media reports on the effects of the motu proprio. Just here in the Washington, D.C. area alone we've had well-placed articles in both major papers in the last few weeks. And this report on PBS was filmed at our parish: Google News and/or Lexis Nexis "Latin Mass" and you'll find dozens, of not hundreds, of newspaper articles over the last few months.
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 9:44am
One blogger over at "Creative Minority Report" writes that I remain "curiously unimpressed" with the responses we have received on this post. As St. Paul would say, "By no means!" I'm fascinated by the reactions, and also by the number of comments. Also, I did not want to suggest that the sole engine for the Latin Mass in the future would be young seminarians interested in its restoration. Rather, my point was that many of those who have argued that the Latin Mass will not "catch on" among the faithful are ignoring the intense interest among those very people who will be in the best position to champion the Latin Mass in future years. One reason I asked this question, which struck a nerve, was to try to get some sense of what is really going on in the parishes across this country. For I've found that it's difficult to get accurate data on the topic, perhaps because the "motu proprio" is still being implemented, and dioceses and parishes are still taking the pulse of pastors and parishioners. Lately, when I give talks at various parishes and retreat centers around the country, I ask about the phenomenon, and the replies vary dramatically. (From parishes who already, before the "motu proprio" have had the Latin Mass to those who say that there is little interest.) There have also been few reports on the effects of the "motu proprio" in the States, save a piece in The New York Times, and so any stories like the ones we're seeing here I find illuminating. At some point, I would love to see some sort study of the matter, but for now we may have to rely on stories like the ones we're hearing here. At least at this point, if these responses are a fair sampling of what's going on (and, to be fair, we have no way of knowing that) it would seem that the acceptance of the Latin Mass may be more widespread that many commentators have reported.
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 9:35am
I contacted three of my ex local parishes who all ran me off, to please allow a Latin Extraordinary Mass now and all three have turned me down. All three parishes which includes our diocesan cathedral as one, allow many other language Masses from Spanish, Philippine, Korean, Vietnamese and French, which seems to me they hate the traditional Latin Mass of all time. I begged all three for the Mass of ages and of the martyrs so as I could return to one of the parishes once again. All had the same response. No traditional priest, parishioners not understanding Latin, too busy already with the many ministries and likely if they would have a Latin Mass, hardly any would come.
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 6:38pm
Thank you Father for asking this question! I live in the Archdiocese of Boston and no, no additional TLM have sprung up, yet. The only TLM we have in Boston is an induit Mass, about 40 minutes away from me at noon. I have frequently driven to the St Benedict Center in Still River which is in the diocese of Worcester. It is about an hour away but at a much more convenient time. I am very hopeful, however that we will have some TLMs in Boston through the work of interested laity such as myself and interested priests. Save the Liturgy, save the world!
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 4:18pm
In my neck of the woods (NJ), the number of "approved" Tridentine Masses has jumped from around 4 to about 8 or 9 since Summorum Pontificum. Similarly, in Long Island, NY, the number has jumped from 1 to 2 or 3. On a related note, here's a question I would like to see pondered: what was the "demand" for the Novus Ordo when it was initially introduced? I don't think history recalls the laity demanding it. Indeed, perhaps that is why it was, quite literally, FORCED upon us.
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 12:19am
I wish! The Diocese of Richmond has basically told us that there are 2 Latin masses--one in Richmond & one in the Tidewater area. Too bad I live one hour from the nearest one, and the diocese extends at least another 2 hours west. The faithful were basically told, "don't bother your priests, they're busy, but you're clearly not to busy to drive up to 3 hours EACH WAY to attend such a Mass". Our pastor put a letter in the bulletin telling us that there would be no Latin Mass at our parish. So, I--and I presume others, judging by the "I love the Latin Mass" bumper stickers I see--are let out in the cold. Considering there is a blog written and frequented by a number people in our diocese who fervently desire a wider availability of the Latin Mass, I'd say the desire is there, but in most placed unrealized (because of discouragement or a desire not to be a burden to our busy priests).
Anonymous | 12/19/2007 - 12:07am
I attend the extraordinary form Mass nearly every week. However, it is a drive. I asked the Pastor of my local parish if he would consider the Latin Mass and he made it quite clear (not particularly courteously) he would not. I was born in the 1970s and virtually every person I grew up with has left the Catholic Church (they are primarily atheists). However through participation in the indult community I have made many friends my age and younger who are committed, active Catholics. I am quite honestly increasingly frustrated by those who act as though we don't exist or we should be ignored.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 10:49pm
I have asked our pastor at St. Andrew's in Roanoke Virginia but he tossed off the question and indicated that since he could not say the Latin Mass we would not be having it. No thought to learn or to find an interested retired priest who might be available. To say that I am disappointed is a gross understatement.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 6:24pm
I have a condo in Sarasota Florida. We have a beautiful Traditional Latin High Mass (missa Cantata) every Sunday at St. Martha's Church in downtown Sarasota. The Chant is beautiful...makes one think they are in Heaven with the angels singing! We have a good mix of under-40 and over 60 folks! I say offer whatever approved liturgies the Church allows if it helps people get closer to God. Isn't he last Canon : Salus animarum suprema lex???? Why would any bishop prohibit the EF of the Mass when this liturgy produced almost all of the saints in our Church?? Bill Leininger
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 5:52pm
Father Martin, your 12/18 12:24 comment was on the mark. The greatest supporters of this counterrevolution have been younger (20- and 30-something) Catholics who read about the traditional Mass, life before Vatican II and the disciplines such as fasting, abstinence, Ember Days, etc. -- and they (we) worked to restore those beautiful things. The originators were heroes like Michael Davies, Archbishop Lefebrve and the like, but it took energy, youth and numbers to get the movement off the ground. Now, it's everywhere, even on the cover of this week's U.S. News and World Report. If one wants to laugh, though, check out the article inside. The three Catholics quoted -- all of whom are older liberals (A Jesuit, a religious sister and a Georgetown prof) -- either oppose or dismiss the move toward tradition. It's quite amusing to see the aging guard stick their heads in the sand 40 years after their revolution failed. But they are dying. Sorry to be blunt. The future of the Church is with the young traditionalists -- and you sure are right, Father, about the seminaries being full of them. Now that Saint Louis, Philadelphia and other large seminaries are teaching the traditional sacraments, expect many more Latin Masses in the next decade. P.S. Don't forget about the other sacraments. I've been to several traditional baptisms recently, and traditional absolution during confession is starting to become more available.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 4:39pm
In the Catholic Diocese of Toledo, St. Joseph's Catholic Church, in downtown Toledo, has had the Latin Tridentine Mass for several years. The Latin Tridentine Masses are every Thursday evening at 6 p.m. and the second Sunday of every month at 8:30 a.m. and the last Sunday of every month at 11 a.m. Rosary and confession starts a half hour before the Mass. Beginning in January, Immaculate Conception Catholic Church, in Toledo, will begin having the Latin Tridentine Mass every third Sunday of the month at 12 noon, except for March. May God's blessings be on this diocese and on all the diocese that have the Latin Tridentine Mass. May this Mass flourish again!!!
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 4:19pm
Nathan Mitchell’s article, which is a detailed commentary on Pope Benedict XVI’s motu proprio, Summorum pontificum, appears in the November issue of Worship. Major point in the pope’s letter that accompanied his motu proprio, that the new missal mandated by Vatican II and officially approved by Pope Paul VI remains the ordinary form of the Roman Catholic Mass, not only juridically but also statistically. In spite of the hopes and expectations of the devotees of the Latin Mass, it will continue to attract only a tiny minority of Catholic worshippers. Benedict XVI insisted that his motive for expanding permission for the use of the Latin Mass was to inspire “an interior reconciliation in the heart of the Church.” Observes that “reconciliation is not the first word that comes to mind when one visits the websites of groups that for years have lobbied for a return to preconciliar liturgy.” I should add only the word, “e-mails.” “A glance at history” reveals that the Roman Catholic Church typically preserves the riches of the past “by creating a new synthesis rather than by resurrecting old forms” In the fourth century Damasus I abandoned archaic liturgical speech (Greek) in favor of Rome’s newer vernacular (Latin). “The clear and persistent pattern in all these reforms is to preserve ‘the riches of the past’ by creating something new. This means that in the Roman tradition, earlier liturgical forms were routinely expected to yield to new syntheses”. In 1965, Paul VI: “We should not think that after a while there can be a return to the former, undisturbed devotion or apathy. No, the new way of doing things will have to be different; it will have to prevent and to shake up the passivity of the people present at Mass. Before, it was enough to assist; now it is necessary to take part. Before, being there was enough; now, attention and activity are required.”
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 2:11pm
In response to Fr. Martin's question, I would say it is hard to predict. I am quite aware of the hard edges that some "progressive" priests have toward the extraordinary form of the Roman Rite: charges of rigidness, focus of individual piety, and non-pariticipation in the liturgy (another issue, which can be answered later, if of interest). However, it seems to be true that younger priests are more "open" to celebrating the 1962 liturgy of Blessed John XXIII. In surveying the participation around the country, mostly through diocesan websites, periodicals, and blogs (I have way too much time on my hands), I see interest from the laity stronger in some places than others throughout the country. In Sacramento, there is quite a crowd here. Bishop Francis Quinn first provided a generous application to celebrating this form back in 1988 to a somewhat sizable crowd (I was not among them) and Bishop William Wiegand has been generous as well. The number of faithful has grown to where a parish church was formed at the beginning circa the millenium. The church is packed at the Sunday masses at 8:30, 10:30 (high mass), and 1:00, with many crying babies, and lots of kids. By the way, we have three priests, and through the years they have all been in their 30s or younger--talk about vitality! By the way, I liked Fr. Martin's book, for the most part. I am a 39 year old single male, born in 1968. I like the ordinary form as well. God bless the Jesuits and all who participate here.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 1:03pm
The Latin Mass was said at the Cathedral in Kansas City, Mo. in September. Much fan-fare. The Bishop was the celebrant. About 500 people showed up. There are 130,000 people in the diocese. Doubtful that TLM will make any lasting impact around here. Once this Bishop gets transferred, all of the interest in this will go with him.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 12:54pm
In the 3 months since Summorum Pontificum became effective, our Diocese has gone from having one Traditonal Mass per week at one parish (under the old indult) to having 5 per week at three different parishes. There are currently plans to begin another celebration in the central deanery of our diocese which would bring that number to 6 regularly scheduled Masses per week by the end of the year. Not bad for 3 months time... imagine what will be the situation 5 or ten years from now! We all continue to pray that this trend continues!
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 12:29pm
I have watched a few priests of St. Ignatius Loyola (NYC) develop catatonia when I asked about having a TLM there. Anyone familiar with this very beatiful bastion of heterodoxy will not be surprised. Their high altar makes a fine plant stand. If you ever want to experience a brain aneurysm rupturing, listen to one priest there give a 15 min sermon without ever using a masculine pronoun for God. This place is very sad.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 12:22pm
St Patrick's in Nashua NH has one every Sunday evening.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 11:51am
Here in Kentucky, St. Martin of Tours continues to have the TLM on Sunday as well several days during the week. There is also daily Mass at St. Anthony's on the days of the week that are not covered by St. Martin's. In addition, Our Lady of the Caves in Horse Cave has also added a TLM on Sunday, as well as Christmas. There is talk of more to come in the Louisville diocese and possible in other parts of the state as there are many priest interested and seeking training.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 11:22am
I attend the parish church of St. Stephen the Martyr that solely worships in the extraordinary form in Sacramento, Californa: I have really been impressed by the strong sense of community: the friendliness of the parishioners; the devotion of the clergy and laity; and fostering of family life there.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 11:05am
Our parish, St. Louis Catholic Church in Waco, Texas, has been celebrating a monthly Latin Mass on Sunday at 3 p.m. since the promulgation of the motu proprio with intentions to begin a weekly celebration in early 2008. The average turn-out has been approximately one hundred, which is impressive given the small size of the Catholic population in the area and the minimal advertising put into it thus far. The feedback has been very positive: several of the congregants with no living memory of the Mass prior to Vatican II have found themselves drawn to the beauty and piety of the extraordinary form as a result of their experience at St. Louis. That said, we are extremely fortunate to have a pastor with both the desire and the capacity to celebrate this intricate rite. The story is quite different elsewhere.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 10:35am
The Cathedral of the Diocese of Fargo (ND) has the latin mass every Sunday at 2:00 p.m. through the new year in order to gauge interest and then will determine the fixed schedule.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 9:10am
In the Diocese of Arlington, Virginia, there are seven parishes which offer the Latin Mass according to the 1962 Missal. Of those seven, three are celebrated every Sunday. The others are either once a month, or on various weekdays. The initiative has the full support of Bishop Loverde, who has offered to support any priest who wishes to learn the Old Mass by facilitating any training he so desires. Parish scholas are forming, and skilled altar servers are in great demand. There are no impediments to implementing the motu proprio; indeed, it is expected that other parishes will be offering the Old Mass, as soon as their priests are trained to do so, or can schedule the opportunity to celebrate it for those who request it.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 9:04am
Some wonder if posing this question here is rather like asking for cattle ranchers to raise their hands at a PETA convention. ? But, yes, a parish near me in St. Joseph, MO, has added the TLM since this document came out.
Anonymous | 12/20/2007 - 9:55am
I prefer the Extraordinary Form to the Ordinary, but I understand why people may prefer the reverse. What I do not understand is why some people somehow find it threatening that there are Catholics who share my preference for the older form of the Mass. If there is so little interest, as some claim, and if that little interest will dry up, as others say, then why not just let it be celebrated whenever and wherever it is requested without restriction? Could it be that there are people who fear that others may come to prefer the old rite if there were greater exposure to it? If that is the case, why is that a problem? Both forms of the Mass are approved by Rome. Why not make it easy for anyone out there to have access to that form which he feels will help him to best grow spiritually and thus draw closer to God?
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 5:54pm
The Archdiocese of St. Louis (MO) is doing a great job, as it was before Summorum Pontificum, at making Mass according to the 1962 Missal available to people. There is an oratory served by the Institute of Christ the King and a new non-territorial parish served by the Benedictines. However, in the St. Louis area, I do not know of any parishes which have made the traditional Latin mass part of their liturgical schedules. People are expected to go to one of the two sites where it is offered (one in the city and one in West County).
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 4:32pm
No, there is no extraordinary form of the Holy Mass within hundreds of miles that I am aware of. I did politely ask my pastor and he said he will not be learning that Mass. There was not even and indult Latin Mass in my diocese and there is hostility to anything considered 'pre-conciliar' no matter what the source. We are into something called 'peace and justice' but have seen no results yet. And we think we are pretty great ourselves and so we gather as an assembly to give thanks and sing about ourselves. I am hoping to be able to move away to where the Roman Catholic faith is alive.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 3:31pm
I live in Philadelphia and we've had access to the Latin Mass for years now. Many of the people there are young families with children.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 3:16pm
I don't directly know of any new regular public celebrations of the Mass in the extradordinary form in the Archdiocese of Indianapolis where I live. However, we have 150 parishes and are spread over nearly half the state, so developments can certainly occur without my knowing about it. There are two parishes in the archdiocese that have regularly offered this form of the Mass on a daily basis for several years. Regarding your speculation, Fr. Martin, about future interest in the extraordinary form, there may indeed be a growth in interest that is influenced by those who are currently in priestly formation. However, I would tend to think that, at least in most cases, the seminarians' interest would not result in them, as priests, imposing this form of the Mass on the parishioners. Rather, I tend to think that, as priests, they might speak about the Mass in presentations or preach on it in liturgies in such a way that they would lead some of their parishioners (perhaps especially those with no memory of the Mass before the Council) to seek it out. I don't think that you were necessarily implying the first scenario in your comment. I just think that the influence that future priests might have would be indirect in ordinary cases.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 2:19pm
I would like to make it clear that I liked My Life with the Saints by Father Martin, particularly on Aloysius Gonzaga and Charles Lawanga. Good stuff!
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 2:03pm
At my home parish of Sacred Heart, Warner-Robins, GA; Diocese of Savannah, there has been exactly 1 mention of Summorrum Pontificum in the bulletin. That was in August to mention that the Pope had issued it, but our Pastor had no interest in saying it, and would not under any circumstances. His exact quote
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 1:44pm
Although my parish does not offer a Latin Mass, here in the Diocese of Oakland we have been able to attend Latin Masses at St. Margaret Mary Church for years. Bishop Allen Vigneron designated a priest there as the Episcopal deligate for the 1962 Indult Mass, which is celebrated daily in addition to the Novus Ordo Mass in English. On Sundays, the faithful may choose between those two and the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin. I've heard that Archbishop George Niederauer in San Francisco intends to make it difficult for people to have the Latin Mass by laying down several restrictions and requirements.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 11:40am
I would love to see one in the Diocese of Boise some where actually close to Boise. Currently, we would have to drive across the state three to four hours or go to a different diocese. Conservative voices seem to have very little input (if any) at the diocesan level here.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 9:39am
I followed the motu proprio story with some interest in the spring of 2007. I had only been to a few "latin" masses (only one of which was done in the old rite). But I have been concerned for some time about the lack of orthodoxy in my parish. After the issuance of the motu proprio, there were several people in my area (including myself) who requested the Traditional Latin Mass ("TLM") at our parish. Many of us are younger (i.e., thirties, etc.) Our pastor denied the request out of hand -- with absolute no interest. The experience convinced me to try an "indult" community forty-five minutes away from my home. I liked it so much that I joined that parish. I now regularly attend the TLM, and, I write this with no melodramatic intention, I now know what it means to be fully Catholic. The old liturgy has made that much of a difference in my life.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 8:14am
Well, I'm not from America. I'm from Argentina. And no, not just a single Mass celebrated in the Extraordinary Form. There are Jesuits in Argentina. Maybe they could star celebrating it. :)
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 6:10am
Archbishop Ranjith is right on the mark. Sure there are generous and faithful interpretations of Summorum Pontificum, just as there were of Ecclesia Dei. However, as a 30 year-old member of a group asking our Parishes and Diocese in Ireland for well over a decade for the provision of a 1962 Missal Mass, I can testify that Rome is starting to listen to and to speak with the voice of the dispossessed laity. IMHO, tradition-loving Catholics are the last acceptable persecuted minority in the Church.
Anonymous | 12/18/2007 - 1:50am
American Catholics are lucky that they're getting the old Latin Mass - even if it's scarce. I've been asking around in my country - South Africa - and I have yet to find a single parish. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. I didn't find much discussion of it in the Catholic press either.
Anonymous | 12/17/2007 - 6:26pm
No such masses in my parish of St. Eugene (or, as far as I know, my diocese, the diocese of Charlotte). I think that Catholics will enter full communion with Unitarians before such a mass occurs at our parish.
Anonymous | 12/17/2007 - 5:50pm
We are working for this, here in Central Oregon. Una Voce Central Oregon has been instrumental in bringing about the prompt implementation of the Motu Proprio by working with various priests that are willing to celebrate the Extraordinary Form. The hindrance currently is the multiplication of masses. Though, according to Canon Law, masses may be "multiplied" if there is a genuine pastoral need, the problem arises when the bishops deny that a group of faithful requesting the EF constitutes a general pastoral necessity. We shall see how things develop.
Anonymous | 12/25/2007 - 8:27pm
Our priest has agreed to offer the EF without anyone even asking him to. He is awaiting the clarification of Summorum Pontificum and has to be trained in the rubrics of the 1962 Missal, but that shouldn't put too much strain on him, he already knows Latin, and was an altar server for the EF as a boy.
Anonymous | 12/23/2007 - 4:51pm
Will somebody please explain to this lifelong 69-year-old practicing Catholic who still remembers the Latin responses, why -- other than nostalgia -- so many are clamoring for a return to the Latin Mass? How many of those clamorers actually understand the language? Surely no special merit attaches to the Mass in Latin. It wasn't the language of Christ and the Apostles. That would have been Aramaic. Historically, Greek has a better claim on us than Latin. The words "This is My Body" certainly mean more to English-speaking Catholics than "Hoc est enim corpus meum." Is it that all that Latin murmuring is soothing, allowing one to evade the stark reality of the words of the Consecration? I certainly have no objection to Mass in Latin. I've attended Mass in several languages. It's the same sacrifice. But English is my native tongue; why shouldn't it also be the language of my sacramental life? Benedict didn't command Catholics to attend the Latin mass; he simply gave us the option. Perhaps I'm missing something (other than an aesthetic experience). So, without the usual vituperation heaped upon us newfangled Catholics who prefer Mass in the vernacular, what's the deal?