Over the weekend, Pope Francis was strongly criticized by Ukrainian civil and church leaders for a comment he made in an interview, saying that Ukraine needed “the courage of the white flag” to negotiate with Russia for peace. In response to the criticism, the Holy See Press Office issued a statement saying that the pope had used the image of the white flag, which was introduced by the interviewer, to refer to protections for negotiations.

On this episode of “Inside the Vatican,” veteran Vatican correspondent Gerard O’Connell and host Colleen Dulle examine the pope’s comments and give an update on the Holy See’s diplomatic push for peace both in Ukraine and Gaza.

In the second half of the show, Colleen and Gerry commemorate the 11th anniversary of Pope Francis’ election. Gerry tells the story of the night he knew then-Cardinal Bergoglio would be elected, and the hosts look ahead to Pope Francis’ to-do list for the remainder of his pontificate.

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Each week, Colleen Dulle goes behind the headlines of the biggest Vatican news stories with America’s Rome correspondent Gerard O’Connell. They'll break down complicated news stories that have a whole lot of history behind them in an understandable, engaging way. Colleen and Gerard will give you the inside scoop on what people inside the Vatican are thinking, saying—and planning.

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