Listen to the L.G.B.T. person: a response to the Vatican’s gender theory document

Revelers carry a rainbow flag along Fifth Avenue during the L.G.B.T. Pride Parade in New York on June 24, 2018. (AP Photo/Andres Kudacki, File)Revelers carry a rainbow flag along Fifth Avenue during the L.G.B.T. Pride Parade in New York on June 24, 2018. (AP Photo/Andres Kudacki, File)

In recent years the Vatican (including popes, congregations and dicasteries) have expressed concern over “gender theory” and “gender ideology.” The latest document from the Congregation for Catholic Education, titled “Male and Female He Created Them,” is the most comprehensive treatment of the topic yet. As America’s Vatican correspondent, Gerard O’Connell, reports, the document comes from a Vatican Congregation and was not signed by Pope Francis, so it is not intended as the “final answer” on the topic.

Gender theory is a notoriously slippery term. Broadly, it refers to the study of gender and sexuality and how those two realities are determined naturally (that is, biologically) and/or socially (that is, culturally). Usually it includes the study of the experiences of gays and lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people, and all those who identify as “queer,” another often-ambiguous term that can mean (but does not always mean) a decision to identify oneself outside of categories like male or female, or gay or straight.

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The congregation’s new document is an explicit call for dialogue, which all should welcome.

For some critics, gender theory also represents an “ideology” that seeks to impose itself on others, “encouraging” or “forcing” some people, especially youth, to question and restate their own sexuality and gender. In some church circles, especially in the developing world, it is often linked to a form of “ideological colonialism” that seeks to impose Western ideas of sexuality and gender on developing nations. Pope Francis has several times adverted to this belief.

The congregation’s new document should be praised for its call for “listening” and “dialogue.” The subtitle is important: “Towards a Path of Dialogue on the Question of Gender Theory in Education.” It is an explicit call for dialogue, which all should welcome. It speaks of a “path,” which indicates that the church has not yet reached the destination. It focuses on the “question” of gender theory in education, which leaves some degree of openness, and is thus addressed mainly to educators and “formators,” including those responsible for the training of priests and members of religious orders.

Another positive aspect of this document is its clear call to “respect every person in their particularity and difference” and its opposition to “bullying, violence, insults or unjust discrimination.” It also praises “the ability to welcome all legitimate expressions of human personhood with respect.”

The document’s conclusion speaks of the path of dialogue, which includes “listening, reasoning and proposing.” As such, it leaves open room for further developments and also avoids some of the harsh language of other Vatican pronouncements on sexuality and, especially, on homosexuality.

This traditional view, however, is contradicted by what most biologists and psychologists now understand about both sexuality and gender.

Let me, then, engage in the respectful dialogue called for, as someone who ministers to L.G.B.T. people.

What does the congregation propose? Essentially, and unsurprisingly, its document restates the traditional Catholic view of sexuality: Men and women are created (as heterosexuals) with fixed sexual and gender roles. This traditional view, however, is contradicted by what most biologists and psychologists now understand about both sexuality and gender. These contemporary advances in understanding human sexuality and gender have been set aside by the congregation in favor of a binary understanding of sexuality. Even the term “sexual orientation” is put into quotes in the document, as if to call that very notion into question.

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The crux of the congregation’s argument is in this understanding of gender: “This separation [of sex from gender] is at the root of the distinctions proposed by different ‘sexual orientations’ which are no longer defined by the sexual difference between male and female, and can then assume other forms determined solely by the individual, who is seen as radically autonomous.”

One objection to that proposition is that it ignores the real-life experience of L.G.B.T. people. In fact, the document’s primary partners for conversation seem to be philosophers, theologians and older church documents and papal statements—not biologists or scientists, not psychiatrists or psychologists, and not L.G.B.T. people and their families. If more people had been included in the dialogue, the congregation would probably find room for the now commonly held understanding that sexuality is not chosen by a person but is rather part of the way that they are created.

If more people had been included in the dialogue, the congregation would probably find room for the now commonly held understanding that sexuality is not chosen by a person but is rather part of the way that they are created.

In fact, for a document that relies so heavily (albeit implicity) on natural law, it ignores what we increasingly understand about the natural world, where we see men and women attracted to the same sex, men and women feeling a variety of sexual feelings throughout their lifetimes, and men and women finding themselves more on a spectrum than on any fixed place when it comes to sexuality and, occasionally, even gender.

The congregation also suggests that discussions about gender identity involve an intentional choice of gender by an individual. But people who are transgender report that they do not choose their identity but discover it through their experiences as human beings in a social world. 

Again, the document largely neglects to engage in discussions about new scientific understandings and discoveries about gender. It relies mainly on the belief that gender is determined solely by one’s visible genitalia, which contemporary science has shown is an incorrect (and sometimes even harmful) way to categorize people. Gender is also biologically determined by genetics, hormones and brain chemistry—things that are not visible at birth. The congregation’s document relies heavily on categories of “male” and “female” that were shaped centuries ago, and not always with the most accurate scientific methods.

The document relies mainly on the belief that gender is determined solely by one’s visible genitalia, which contemporary science has shown is an incorrect (and sometimes even harmful) way to categorize people.

The document is also undergirded by the notion of “complementarity,” which means that based on their gender (male and female), men and women have separate roles. In a sentence sure to raise eyebrows the congregation writes, “Women have a unique understanding of reality. They possess a capacity to endure adversity…” Not men? Such ideas reinforce stereotyping and prevent both men and women from rising above precisely those cultural constructs that the Vatican often rightly decries.

The most unfortunate aspect of this document is the way the congregation understands transgender people. (Oddly, in a document about gender and sexuality, the words “homosexual” or “homosexuality” are absent.) Consider this passage: “This oscillation between male and female becomes, at the end of the day, only a ‘provocative’ display against so-called ‘traditional frameworks’, and one which, in fact, ignores the suffering of those who have to live situations of sexual indeterminacy. Similar theories aim to annihilate the concept of ‘nature’ (that is, everything we have been given as a pre-existing foundation of our being and action in the world), while at the same time implicitly reaffirming its existence.”

In this formulation, transgender people are being “provocative” and are either consciously or unconsciously trying to “annihilate the concept of ‘nature.’” Friends and family members who have accompanied a transgender person through their attempts at suicide, their despair over fitting into the larger society, or their acceptance that God loves them will find that sentence baffling and even offensive.

Perhaps the most thoughtful response to this approach comes from a Catholic deacon, Ray Dever, who has a transgender child and wrote about his family’s experience in U.S. Catholic. As he writes, “Anyone with any significant first-hand experience with transgender individuals would be baffled by the suggestion that trans people are somehow the result of an ideology. It is a historical fact that long before there were gender studies programs in any university or the phrase gender ideology was ever spoken, transgender people were present, recognized, and even valued in some cultures around the world.”

The most likely short-term result of “Male and Female He Created Them” will be to provide ammunition for Catholics who would deny the reality of the transgender experience, who would label transgender people as simple ideologues, and who would deny their real-life experiences. It will most likely contribute to a greater feeling of isolation, a greater feeling of shame and a greater marginalization of those who are already marginalized in their own church: transgender people.

Let us return to the more positive aspect of this document, which could be the long-term result: the call for listening and dialogue. The congregation seems sincere in its invitation. The church, like the rest of society, is still learning about the complexities of human sexuality and gender. The next step, then, could be for the church to listen to responses from those that this document most directly affects: L.G.B.T. people themselves.

Let the dialogue begin.

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Read David Cloutier's response to the document on gender theory from the Vatican's Congregation for Catholic Education.

Arnoldo Miranda
1 week ago

Well I don't know what you're doing here on this site. We are believers here. You're trying to convince people that don't believe what you do. Good luck.

Matthew Janicak
1 week ago

Believers or not, we all inhabit the same space, including the America: The Jesuit Review website. I wish you poor luck on spreading what you believe, because it's a bit silly.

Arnoldo Miranda
1 week ago

Fine. The numbers don't lie. Your beliefs do since the vast majority of humanity do not experience what you are peddling. I'm confident in our position. It lines up with reality.

Matthew Janicak
1 week ago

Numbers are nothing without context. I have 1 thumb, 1 America, 1 mole of CO2. All of these "ones" are different - numbers are multipliers, plain and simple. Smaller numbers are not "inferior" to larger numbers because they are smaller. They are all just numbers, they are all just data. The microbes that help you digest food in your gut are smaller than you according to mass, but larger according to cell count. GOD doesn't hate them for being different - by which I mean YOU shouldn't discriminate things by count, at least not without a reasonable context!

Arnoldo Miranda
1 week ago

Facts matter and your ranting doesn't establish anything more to this conversation that pertains to this reality. You're not a believer so your use of God is really pathetic.

Matthew Janicak
1 week ago

Ranting? Pertain to this reality? I actually tried to make sense, rather than being a wounded animal afraid or a God-disbeliever. You think I don't have access to the concept of God even though I don't believe it exists in our world? You could dismiss me if you said something smart enough. Otherwise, you are a God-believing moron like Fr. Martin, S.J., without the S.J. I assume.

Arnoldo Miranda
1 week ago

Your diatribe about numbers has nothing to do with the fact that the vast majority of humanity doesn't experience what this document points out. This is a fact about human reality. What context have you brought about in this rant? Nothing. People undergo different experiences and the experience you allude to occurs in less than .6 of 1 percent of humans. This should tell you it forms a VERY SMALL portion of human experience. You should ask yourself why. And the reality of this small number should alert you to the fact that this is an anomaly in nature not indicative of the wider more normal human experience. But since logic is not part of your thinking, you decide to make up some number facts that have nothing to do with this reality. The only thing here wounded is your notion of what you think the human experience to be. I didn't say you didn't have access to God. I just noted how you called my belief silly and then you use it to make a point. That is what is silly. You lecturing me about God when you've clearly stated you don't believe. The only moronic individual here is the one who uses arguments he doesn't even believe in. You are being foolish and nonsensical. Thank you for posting this so that everyone can see your lack of sincerity and the baloney you keep spouting.

Matthew Janicak
1 week ago

The vast majority of human experience isn't more important than the small minority of human experience. All humans are important, even if they are small in number. Nature has no problem with small numbers, or large numbers. You seem to have a problem with the small. If smaller numbers consistently escape God's control, than he would just be the God of large numbers.

And yes you are silly, for claiming to know the will of an imaginary God based on arbitrary numbers. You are a silly, un-serious person for sure, and I hope you grow up and read a different book!

Arnoldo Miranda
1 week ago

No. You seem to have a problem understanding what is normative and what is not. It has nothing to do with this silly reasoning you keep putting up about small numbers. For thousand of years until recently, humanity clearly noted the rarity of this situation. Now they are trying to mainstream this very small reality as if it was a normal human experience. It is an anomaly and not indicative of the human race by any measure. This is what you don't get and what this document clearly laid out.

I could ask you about what you mean about God's control, but since you don't believe, it would be futile. You just don't know how to articulate anything meaningful, hence you use these words you don't even understand.

Again you use the word imaginary as if to postulate your disbelief but you rant in the previous paragraph as if you understood something about God. You're unreal and plainly mendacious willing to utilize any style of argument (i.e., fallacies) you choose in order to achieve your point. If anything, you've demonstrated your lack of reasoning skills, your shallow knowledge of science, and your inability to engage with the crux of the matter by bringing up random thoughts that have nothing to do with the document that was disclosed today.

Matthew Janicak
1 week ago

Alright, Arnoldo, I hear you. I'm actually a bit flattered by your description of my mendacious writing. It's been fun. Heed my words and take care!

Arnoldo Miranda
1 week ago

You take care too!

Mary Gail Frawley-O'Dea
6 days 12 hours ago

Arnoldo: Normative and normal are quite different concepts. Celibacy is not normative either -- so all priests are intrinsically disordered by your illogic.

Juliana Boerio-Goates
1 week ago

Why is it not possible that God wills for a diversity in the natural order that accommodates both the cis-gendered members of humanity and those who identify as L, G, B, T, Q, I or A?

Rhett Segall
1 week ago

Scholasticism is simply a philosophical approach to truth focusing on fundamental principles of causality. It is not the only approach. We need prophecy and poetry, God's revelation, etc. But it is one avenue towards truth, and an important one at that.

Jessica Pegis
6 days 20 hours ago

There was no male and female at the beginning of time. Male and female are essentially reproductive strategies that evolved--adapted and survived. In another galaxy, the results could look quite different since adaptation is tied to environment. There is more to the human being than male or female.

John Mack
1 week ago

I do not expect any wisdom on the issue of sex from the Catholic church. It ignores science.

david_roccosalva@yahoo.com
1 week ago

"In fact, the document’s primary partners for conversation seem to be philosophers, theologians and older church documents and papal statements—not biologists or scientists, not psychiatrists or psychologists, and not L.G.B.T. people and their families." Ignoring science and scientists? What a great idea and traditionally Catholic! How'd that work out for Galileo?

John Sharpe
1 week ago

What science are you referring to? Maybe you can post a link!

Gabe Reeder-Ferreira
1 week ago

Research has proven the harmful effects of the traditional ideology not only for the LGBT community but among the cisgengered heteronormative persons. They have so many issues revolving around their own sexuality because of religious indoctrination many can’t seem to have a healthy sex life or relationship of their own. They have so much Catholic guilt and shame for even masturbating! Good grief. The poster Christopher Lochner, a cisgendered heterosexual, even described Catholic teaching on homosexuality as a drip system of modern hatred.

John Sharpe
1 week ago

I honestly don’t even know what you’re talking about. Did this research do its own research or is there a researcher attached to this data?

Gabe Reeder-Ferreira
1 week ago

Google it - scholarly articles on religion and sexuality. It's an impressively large body of research. You can't miss it. Much to do about how religion shapes not only one's views on sexuality but their experiences, frequency, and satisfaction with their own sex lives. Catholics have reported much less emotional and sexual satisfaction in their marriages compared to other groups. Less emotional and sexual satisfaction in premarital sex AND a negative impact on sexual self-esteem. I don't understand why anybody would be surprised by this.

Mary Gail Frawley-O'Dea
6 days 12 hours ago

John -- here's your science. https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/

Ysais Martinez
6 days 18 hours ago

What?! Yeah that drag queen kid and his promoters are the perfect example of supremely mentally healthy people.

Juliana Boerio-Goates
1 week ago

This afternoon, speaking to the USCCB meeting, BIshop Robert Barron named four or five reasons why millenials are leaving the church. One was the conflict they experienced between what their faith was asking them to believe and what they were learning from modern science; the other was on sexuality. Yesterday's report on transgenderism and gender ideology will just push more young people out for these two reasons. The young people who know the science will see this as yet one more example of the church getting things wrong because it fails to engage with scientific thought that has progressed beyond the Aristotelian science used by Aquinas.

John Sharpe
1 week ago

Bishop Barron must have missed the Washington Post article quoting the Pew Research data ...”Liberal churches are dying. But conservative churches are thriving.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/04/liberal-churches-are-dying-but-conservative-churches-are-thriving/

Even in the Catholic Church there is a resurgence in the Orthodox and Latin rite communities.... much to the dismay of many aging first generation Vatican II clergy.

Mary Gail Frawley-O'Dea
6 days 12 hours ago

John: Liberal churches are dying because liberals are leaving. Many leaders of Protestant denominations foresee a split between Orthodox churches and churches oriented towards the true Gospel values of social justice. Millennials and GenZ are exquisitely attuned to hypocrisy and will have none of it. They also are deeply offended by intolerance -- racial, socioeconomic, religious, gender, sexual orientation. They have transgender friends, homosexual friends, friends of different races. They eschew organized religion but are committed to inclusion. The Catholic Church does not deserve them as members but they will do much good in the world and find the way of the Spirit.

Mary Gail Frawley-O'Dea
6 days 12 hours ago

John: Liberal churches are dying because liberals are leaving. Many leaders of Protestant denominations foresee a split between Orthodox churches and churches oriented towards the true Gospel values of social justice. Millennials and GenZ are exquisitely attuned to hypocrisy and will have none of it. They also are deeply offended by intolerance -- racial, socioeconomic, religious, gender, sexual orientation. They have transgender friends, homosexual friends, friends of different races. They eschew organized religion but are committed to inclusion. The Catholic Church does not deserve them as members but they will do much good in the world and find the way of the Spirit.

Matthew Janicak
1 week ago

What Fr. Martin doesn't address is that discrimination against LGBTQIA humans is encouraged by official church teachings, which are targeted toward a young audience that grow into less flexible adults. His damage control is a band-aid over a sad reality: that the Catholic Church's God is not the source of "nature," but a means of authority. For a Jesuit, substantively undermining this "God" means finding a new job, which is scary for any one. But many of us need to find new jobs and quickly. Let the dialogue begin.

Matthew Janicak
1 week ago

Come on, coward club. I'm seriously disappointed a Catholic isn't available for me to eat.

Matthew Masotti
1 week ago

‪What “scientific method” could possibly accurately and verifiably ascribe a person as B.isexual or T.ransgender if ‘male’ and ‘female’ are outdated?‬

Because people can experience “a variety of sexual feelings throughout their lifetimes” doesn’t mean every act based on these feelings is an equivalent element in “a spectrum” of acceptable behavior. Should the Magisterium also listen to M.asturbating Catholics to inform its teaching on marriage and sexuality? A.dulterous Catholics? B.igamist Catholics? (wouldn’t B.isexual Catholics have two spouses?) P.olyamorous or P.olygamist Catholics? These are serious questions that the “dialogue” begs.

Father Martin’s use and defense of “L.G.B.T” categories, and his persistence in describing people according to their sexual forays, self-serve his modus operandi. He deliberately obfuscates Church teaching and disingenuously invokes “contemporary” science. Sure, there are many in science and medicine today who promote “gender theory” and its corollaries, but science and medicine once embraced eugenics and mass sterilization with enthusiasm, and today most of their professional organizations defend and endorse the use of chemical contraceptives and elective surgical abortion.

Moral relativism permeates Father Martin’s writings. In his essay above he speaks nothing about sin as it pertains to sex or to suicide. That his expressed views are widely held does not contradict their underlying Gnosticism. Mention of rare congenital abnormalities is a tactical diversion from attempts to explain, for example, the contagion represented by propagandized children seeking to mutilate themselves in order that their bodies reflect fantasies that they’ve been led to believe are real.

I am very thankful that the Church has intervened lest practitioners in science, medicine, law, media, and education continue hellbent with increasing support for the present mass delusion. I also pray that Father Martin one day rejects the errors that he now promotes.

Matthew Janicak
1 week ago

"What “scientific method” could possibly accurately and verifiably ascribe a person as B.isexual or T.ransgender if ‘male’ and ‘female’ are outdated?‬"

Scientific results do not dictate linguistics. "Male," female", "bisexual," and "transgender" are all word-phrases with buy-in.

"Because people can experience 'a variety of sexual feelings throughout their lifetimes' doesn’t mean every act based on these feelings is an equivalent element in 'a spectrum' of acceptable behavior."

It is not up to you, or any undemocratic club, to discern "acceptable behavior."

"Should the Magisterium also listen to M.asturbating Catholics to inform its teaching on marriage and sexuality? A.dulterous Catholics? B.igamist Catholics? (wouldn’t B.isexual Catholics have two spouses?) P.olyamorous or P.olygamist Catholics? These are serious questions that the “dialogue” begs."

Masturbation should not have been conveyed as a problem to yourself, and sexual pleasure is not as supremely powerful as you imagine.

"Moral relativism permeates Father Martin’s writings. In his essay above he speaks nothing about sin as it pertains to sex or to suicide. That his expressed views are widely held does not contradict their underlying Gnosticism"

This sounds like utter nonsense. You can go Gnosticize yourself.

"I am very thankful that the Church has intervened lest practitioners in science, medicine, law, media, and education continue hellbent with increasing support for the present mass delusion. "

I understand that you want to feel achievement, which certain disciplines, such as science, medicine, law, media, and education ascribe. Their achievements are real, however, and I think you would agree if you were able to take those first steps in effort.

Teresa Gould
6 days 18 hours ago

The science has to do with looking at the brains of transgendered individuals. Evidently, their brains match more with their desired gender than their physical sex. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/

Stock Market Guru
1 week ago

The bottom line is this: the anus is an exit, not an entrance, folks !

Matthew Janicak
1 week ago

You should let people who work on colorectal medicine and disease know about the extent of your knowledge, folk.

Gail Bederman
1 week ago

It's surprising and disturbing that so many opponents of gender theory commenting here have apparently never actually read any gender theory--merely condemnations of gender theory. Similarly, most apparently know no transgender people--merely textual representations of such people. It even sounds like many haven't read the new Vatican document which--as Fr. Martin correctly points out--itself calls for the dialogue that so many posting here oppose. I suggest to all of you more reading--which will make the dialogue the Vatican desires much more productive. Thank you, Father Martin, for speaking truth truth, perfectly informed by Catholic doctrine, so lovingly and thoughtfully, as always.

Gail Bederman
1 week ago

It's surprising and disturbing that so many opponents of gender theory commenting here have apparently never actually read any gender theory--merely condemnations of gender theory. Similarly, most apparently know no transgender people--merely textual representations of such people. It even sounds like many haven't read the new Vatican document which--as Fr. Martin correctly points out--itself calls for the dialogue that so many posting here oppose. I suggest to all of you/us more reading--which will make the dialogue the Vatican desires much more productive. And thank you, Father Martin, for speaking truth, thoughtfully informed by Catholic doctrine, so lovingly and eloquently, as always.

Martin Cosentino
1 week ago

The Roman Church is in error in publishing such a reactionary document that, even charitably speaking is at least a half century behind in psychological and cultural thinking.

To begin, there is NOTHING in the New Testament that specifically addresses this issue, except maybe Jesus' remarks on the eunuchs:

11“Not everyone can accept this word,” He replied, “but only those to whom it has been given. 12For there are eunuchs who were born that way; others were made that way by men; and still others live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” 13Then the little children were brought to Jesus for Him to place His hands on them and pray for them. And the disciples rebuked those who brought them.…

We are also speaking of human sovereignty here - the self-evident right to be what one's own self chooses to be - Soren Kierkagaard, one of the most devout Christians ever, had this to say nearly 200 years ago:

"By relating itself, to itself, and by willing to be its OWN self, the Self is
transparently grounded in the Power which constitutes it."
-Fear and Trembling

The Power Kierkagaard was referring to was 'before G-d' and it is an issue Jesus would have been thoroughly familiar with. The equipment that Nature supplies us with between our legs when we are born, is secondary to the SELF that ultimately is formed from life's experiences.

Because G-d made us 'in his image, . . .male and female he created them,' this passage means that EACH ONE OF US is male and female, and that it is ultimately our adult and sovereign choice to become that person who we want to be.

Jesus commanded us to "whatsoever you would have others do to you, do you likewise to them - love your neighbor as yourself.'

If you are NOT reading the New Testament, and that includes the Congregation for Catholic Education, then you are not Jesus' disciple, and you cannot call yourself a Christian.

Pancho Mulongeni
1 week ago

Yes, James Martin, thank you, your arguments are #Flawless. We're Alisters!

Michael S
1 week ago

-The fundamental issue is that these people have no idea who they are. They have a sexual identity as XX or XY, given to them by the Creator. Let'a not talk about the rare outliers such as XXY, XO, or adrenal issues. These people are simply confused, and cannot accept themselves for who they are. This is basic biology, and has nothing to do with Church teachings. The next time you meet a transgender woman, ask her about her uterus, periods, and child bearing. These are essential aspects of being a woman that they will never know! All of this is total nonsense!

Luis Gutierrez
1 week ago

Isn't patriarchy a "gender theory"? Isn't religious patriarchy a manifestation of the gender ideology of male headship and the gender binary? As long as the Vatican is not willing to dismantle the patriarchal scaffolding that makes the church hierarchy exclusively male, we shall remain shackled to a patriarchal gender theory. Pitiful. Disgraceful.

Paul Hierholzer
1 week ago

"One objection to that proposition is that it ignores the real-life experience of L.G.B.T. " Imagine that--celibate Catholic religious authorties ignoring the real-life experience of non-Celibate Catholic lay people. How unusual.

John Sharpe
6 days 23 hours ago

At what age should children be allowed to start hormone replacement therapy with the blessing of the Catholic Church? Should they declare their sex, or non sex, prior to their first Holy Communion or Confirmation?

Rhett Segall
6 days 23 hours ago

Fr. Martin states: " If more people had been included in the dialogue, the congregation would probably find room for the now commonly held understanding that sexuality is not chosen by a person but is rather part of the way that they are created." On what basis does a person say they were created as homosexual or transgender? On the basis of feeling gay or trans? But then those who feel like fornication is okay or polygamy is okay could justify their disposition in the same way. On such a mind set feeling becomes the criterion for truth. Can society really live with this criterion?

Vince Killoran
6 days 23 hours ago

Bravo Fr. Martin! God gave us all brains (not to mention ears) and we need to use them.

John Sharpe
6 days 23 hours ago

Richard Dawkins on Post Modernism Invading Science... https://youtu.be/b1pJ8vYxL3Q

Mister Mckee
6 days 22 hours ago

A rather feeble APOLOGIA PRO ECCLESIA SUA, based on even weaker "official teaching" of the institution on so-called "gender theory:"
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/marriage-and-family/marriage/promotion-and-defense-of-marriage/upload/Gender-Ideology-Select-Teaching-Resources.pdf

John Sharpe
6 days 21 hours ago

Academics expose corruption in Grievance Studies. “The science of dog humping”. https://youtu.be/kVk9a5Jcd1k

Jessica Pegis
6 days 21 hours ago

Thank you, J and Mary Gail.

John Sharpe
6 days 18 hours ago

For those that want a little more explanation about how the universities got corrupted the link has the researchers interviewed on Joe Rogan. It’s not just the universities that are corrupted, it’s the church. The question you have to ask yourself is who in the church is pushing this...and why?

Joe Rogan - Exposing Social Justice with Peter Boghossian & James Lindsay
https://youtu.be/OlqU_JMTzd4

John Sharpe
6 days 18 hours ago

For those that want a little more explanation about how the universities got corrupted the link has the researchers interviewed on Joe Rogan. It’s not just the universities that are corrupted, it’s the church. The question you have to ask yourself is who in the church is pushing this...and why?

Joe Rogan - Exposing Social Justice with Peter Boghossian & James Lindsay
https://youtu.be/OlqU_JMTzd4

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