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On this week’s episode of “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac are joined by America magazine’s editor in chief, Sam Sawyer, S.J., and America editor at large James Martin, S.J., to discuss the life and legacy of Pope Francis, who died at the age of 88 in the early morning of April 21, 2025. He was the first pope from Latin America and the first Jesuit pope.

Zac, Ashley, Sam and Jim discuss: 

  • Their personal encounters with the pope and how Francis impacted their priesthoods, careers and prayer life 
  • Pope Francis’ gifts as a pastor—and whether he will have a lasting impact on the papacy
  • How Pope Francis responded to criticism and sought to preserve the unity of the church

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