Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò was declared guilty of schism and excommunicated on July 4. For anyone who has followed the archbishop’s public statements over the past few years, the decision was anything but a surprise. Still, no one could have predicted that this Vatican diplomat with more than 40 years of service would fall so precipitously from favor.

In this special deep dive episode of “Inside the Vatican,” host Colleen Dulle interviews journalists, a canon lawyer and a historian to trace Viganò’s transformation from top Vatican official to being excommunicated for schism, and what that transformation means for the rest of the Catholic Church.

Special guests:

  • Robert Moynihan, editor-in-chief of Inside the Vatican magazine and a personal friend of Archbishop Viganò
  • Gerard O’Connell, Vatican correspondent for America
  • Dawn Eden Goldstein, who holds a licentiate in canon law from the Catholic University of America
  • Shaun Blanchard, lecturer in theology at the University of Notre Dame Australia

Each week, Colleen Dulle goes behind the headlines of the biggest Vatican news stories with America’s Rome correspondent Gerard O’Connell. They'll break down complicated news stories that have a whole lot of history behind them in an understandable, engaging way. Colleen and Gerard will give you the inside scoop on what people inside the Vatican are thinking, saying—and planning.

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